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39 No. 39
Welcome to my tea party! I have opened this game to challenge any and all opponents to a battle of wits!
This gameboard is unlike any other. This is a specially-crafted gameboard, which took a long time to prepare.
I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it.

This is my third fanmade visual novel.

*Warning: This Game Contains EP7 Spoilers! Please Read EP7 Before Playing This!*
http://http://www.mediafire.com/?z7y5y3sb8rncdh2
Install the game just like you would install a Witch-Hunt translation patch.

RULES:

Knox's 1st. It is forbidden for the culprit to be anyone not mentioned in the early part of the story.
(in this game, the early part is the first day)
Knox's 2nd. It is forbidden for supernatural agencies to be employed as a detective technique.
Knox's 3rd. It is forbidden for hidden passages to exist.
(a “hidden passage is a passage that the detective cannot find during the course of the game)
Knox's 4th. It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be used.
(Knox’s 5th is not included in this set of rules)
Knox's 6th. It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a detective technique.
Knox's 7th. It is forbidden for the detective to be the culprit.
Knox's 8th. It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented.
Knox's 9th. It is permitted for observers to let their own conclusions and interpretations be heard.
Knox's 10th. It is forbidden for a character to disguise themselves as another without any clues.
Van Dine's 1st. The reader must have equal opportunity with the detective.
Van Dine's 2nd. No tricks may be played on the reader other than tricks which the culprit has played on the detective.
Van Dine's 3rd. The detective must not have a love interest.
Van Dine's 4th. The detective must not be the culprit.
Van Dine's 5th. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions.
Van Dine's 6th. There must be a detective, and the detective must detect.
Van Dine's 7th. There must be at least one murder in the story.
Van Dine's 8th. The crime must be solved strictly by naturalistic means.
Van Dine's 9th. There must be only one detective in the story.
Van Dine's 10th. The culprit must turn out to be someone who has played a more or less prominent part in the story.
Van Dine's 11th. A servant must not be the culprit.
Van Dine's 12th. There must be only one culprit, although they may have one minor helper or co-plotter as an accomplice.
Van Dine's 13th. Secret societies have no place in a detective story.
Van Dine's 14th. The method of murder, and means of detecting it, must be rational and scientific.
Van Dine's 15th. The solution to the problem must be apparent, and this fact should be noticeable to the reader while reading the story for a second time.
Van Dine's 16th. The story must not have literary content irrelevant to solving the mystery.
Van Dine's 17th. The culprit must not feel guilt for committing the crime.
Van Dine's 18th. The crime must never turn out to be an accident or a suicide.
Van Dine's 19th. The motives for all crimes must be personal.
Van Dine's 20th. These mystery cliches must not be used: the cigarette butt, the bogus se'ance, forged fingerprints, the dummy-figure alibi, the dog which does not bark, the final pinning of the crime on a twin, the hypodermic syringe, committing the murder in the locked room after it was broken into, the word association test, and the cipher or code letter which is eventually unraveled by the detective.

There is Knox. There is Dine. And yet, there is no Fair!


I will allow /seacats/ to use THREE THEORIES ONLY. Each theory must explain the who, how, and why, while following the above mystery novel rules.
Ideally, the players will discuss their theories in a separate thread and come to an agreement before presenting it to me. I will first deny it using the mystery novel rules. If I cannot deny it further, I will ask if it is their "final answer", and either confirm or deny each part of it.
If all three theories are given, and none of them are correct, I win. If one of those theories is completely correct, /seacats/ wins.


Your odds of winning are one in quadrillion. Good luck.
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>> No. 40
NOTE: Normally I would have given you all a few more chances, but due to certain "circumstances" you guys have a ton more information to work with than intended. Besides, if I give you too many chances you won't play serious, and what's the fun in that?

So, this is my challenge to you all. Let the real game begin!
>> No. 117
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Question. When we state our first theory (final answer), for example, will you tell us if it's right or wrong? Will you give us hints, tell us what parts are wrong specifically, etc.? Just curious.
>> No. 121

If he is as evil as Rosa (I think he is) and the theory don't violate knox or dine then we might get a single red text destroying the theory.

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>>117
Whodunnit, howdunnit, whydunnit.

I want answers to those three questions.

If you're wrong, I'll deny each question individually. 'Person X is not the culprit', 'Trick X doesn't work', 'Reason X is not correct', etc.

I was considering hints, but the ones I thought of might make it too obvious. Maybe after all three tries are used up, I'll start giving cryptic hints to lead you on the right track.
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Almost forgot, updated version (1.73) here.
http://www.mediafire.com/?hwss4ad7ehh7wsb

It is done.
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As a reminder:

You have ONE HOUR left to present your theory.

And also, when you do post it. I won't go easy on you.
>> No. 219
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>> No. 220
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Alright Kinjo, steel yourself, for this is the truth! The one, final, perfect truth that the members of /Seacats/ have reached after our thousand-year journey! If we are correct in our reasoning, then you have been completely exposed, and you will not be able to stand against the onslaught which is soon to follow. We have read your narrative, examined the clues, and hereby declare our solution to this twisted tale. No more shall the vile criminal roam freely to disgrace the will of the living. The demands of justice must be satisfied, and a remorseless killer given their due. With this, it is our intention to deliver in full. The catbox you’ve so painstakingly crafted has at long last been torn asunder, it’s guts drawn out for all to cast their shimmering eyes upon.

So then endless witch Kinjo, Highmaster of the Inquisition and current Territory Lord of Rokkenjima,

The true culprit…..

…………IS YOU!


That’s right you crafty bastard, you did it. You smiled as we ran about in circles attempting to reason things out, no doubt with the grandest of expressions decorating your visage the entire time; you even went so far as to point a gun right at us as you announced the completion of your treasured tale. And of course, every step along the way, we fell for it, but no longer - the charade you’ve been putting on ends here. I am certain though, that you won’t be satisfied until I put this in a language with which you are so dangerously familiar, so with that I’ll digress with my monologue and make it official:

Doctor Nanjo is the culprit of Inquisition of the golden witch!


There are three main questions we need to answer in order for us to completely shatter the veil that surrounds this mystery. The first of these, the WHODUNNIT, has been answered, and will be further elaborated upon in the proceeding passages. I’ll now describe to you in detail the WHYDUNNIT, the explanation as to why the good doctor would go so far as to murder the entire Ushiromiya clan in cold blood.
Simply put, he needed money, in all likelihood a lot of it, right now. Before Nanjo goes on to tell his story about his talk with Kinzo, he mentions his granddaughter, a young girl whom he rather hesitantly describes as suffering from an obscure mental disorder. At first glance, one might be tempted to dismiss the nature of this mysterious girl’s illness as being unimportant, but if we look a little more closely, isn’t it odd how there just so happens to be an individual of such description living on this very island? That’s right Kinjo, I’m saying that Nanjo’s unnamed granddaughter is none other than Yasu herself! How this came to be is anyone’s guess. It’s most likely the case that after Natsuhi’s abandoning of the child, Nanjo took pity on her after saving her life, and so decided to adopt her as his own granddaughter. This is why she was selected to work at the Ushiromiya mansion. Therefore, because of this, Nanjo had a clear and discernable motive, one which was clearly hinted at in the story. Nanjo, assuming Erika goes to the guesthouse, is also the very first person in the game encountered. Both Knox’s 8th and Knox 1st are satisfied by this theory.


Now, while this choice of culprit and motive adhere to Knox, what about Van Dine? You would be correct in saying that Nanjo was far from alone when it comes to his desire for money, after all, it’s a well known fact at this point that as a collective group, the Ushiromiya family’s ability to manage their incredible wealth is notoriously poor. However, in this highly unusual Kakera, Nanjo’s situation is unique. This is where Krauss’s discussion with his siblings comes in. Ordinarily, Kinzo would probably have left a will or something similar declaring his final wishes. Nanjo, being one of Kinzo’s closest confidents, would naturally assume he’d be included, due to receive his fair share as compensation for all of the miserable years he wasted playing chess with the old warlock. However, in this fragment, the inheritance is not distributed in such a way; in this fragment, Krauss buckles under the pressure and decides to reveal his father’s passing. Truly, this was a one-in-a-million occurrence, a Miracle. That is to say of course, a miracle to everyone BUT Nanjo. That’s because, on this Rokkenjima, Krauss authoritatively takes the position of the headship upon himself; this includes all of the responsibilities that go with it, including the distribution of the inheritance. Certainly, this was not something Nanjo would ever have thought likely to happen. The second Nanjo found out that the siblings would be dividing up their claims to the money equally, I’m sure he did quite the double take. With all of the issues(especially his failing marriage) on his mind, as well as with his recently repaired family relationships, Krauss probably didn’t even give Nanjo a second thought. After all, the physician was an old friend of Kinzo’s, not Krauss’s. At this point, Nanjo probably realized he wouldn’t be getting so much as a penny of Kinzo’s money. He couldn’t take it any longer, the combined stresses of his financial situation and Sayo’s condition worsening due to Battler’s absence caused him to snap. Because the siblings money issues were taken care of, but Nanjo’s remained, VD 19 is hereby satisfied, the motive was indeed highly personal. Also note that because Nanjo is technically a family associate/employee, and is not on the servant’s roster, VD 11 is hereby satisfied as well.

Therefore, With this, the WHYDUNNIT is solved.

Are you starting to sweat yet Kinjo? Has your flesh gone pale as you feel the witch’s violent power seep coldly and mercilessly out of you? With each of my blues, another one of your precious illusionary barriers is silently shattered. Truth is remorseless.
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So then, with culprit and motive each exposed to the light of day, only the final strike remains: The HOWDUNNIT. With this I shall be quick and merciful. The clues are all in place, and moreso than anyone else, they all seem to point directly at Nanjo. It really was bold of you, you know, making yourself the final mastermind that like. In the end though, even you knew how risky of a maneuver it was, because at the very moment we would stop to seriously consider such a prospect, you also knew that we’d put things together and see that it all fit perfectly; we would know you couldn’t allow such an opportunity to pass you by. At that moment, your heart would be exposed, and it would already be over.

Alright then Kinjo, enough reasoning. Let‘s end this. Here is how Nanjo accomplished each twilight, one by one.

1st twilight - Nanjo, being a practicing physician and having medical knowledge, knows precisely how to fake his death after killing the each of the shed victims during the night, including POOR INNOCENT NATSUHI, WHO IS NOT AT ALL THE CULPRIT. How does he fake his death? Simple. He exchanges the body of the dead family head for his own, bashing in the face to conceal his identity. This switch most likely took place immediately after Erika is forced away from the shed by Genji. For Nanjo to commit any further murders, he would obviously need a substitute corpse, and Kinzo’s would work quite nicely. Indeed, even if we attempt to remain in Kinzo’s study the entire time, to keep watch over the body, Erika will inevitably be forced out of the room and into the hallway by Genji who takes her to the first twilight. It is an inescapable fate, she cannot keep track of Kinzo’s body at all times, and so there always exists at least a brief window period for Nanjo to move the body. A fake death is permissible under VD20 because an artificial body was not used, a real one was, therefore no “dummy“ figure exists. -With this strike, I draw blood.

2nd twilight - As Kinzo’s personal friend, Nanjo would have extensive access to his personal repository of chemicals and other alchemical ingredients. Knowing Kinzo’s eccentricities, it isn’t unlikely he would have poisons that would be capable of causing death. He sets up the trap Erika discovers in the kitchen that kills Rudolph and Kyrie. It is most likely activated remotely, so that the doctor doesn’t accidentally kill Shannon. -With this strike, I tear apart the flesh upon your chest.

3rd twilight - Nanjo has Maria place the mysterious letter after telling her he is possessed by Beatrice earlier. This is supported by the fact that Maria comes to Erika’s defense when the incident occurs; to her, the letter is from Beatrice. If Nanjo’s granddaughter really was Yasu, it would make sense for the letter to be about her. -With this strike, I laugh.

4th twilight - While the others are occupied, Nanjo takes the opportunity to burn Kinzo’s body. Perhaps the two never were that close after all. -With this strike, I gouge your forehead.

5th twilight - Nanjo, being Kinzo’s chess partner, has an intimate enough knowledge of the study to set up a trap inside of it. Potentially having some minor knowledge of the epitaph, he sets a gun to go off at the first person to reach for the atlas. -With this strike, I gouge your wounded chest.

6th twilight - Nanjo kills Maria from outside on the ledge, using the secret passageway that Erika discoveres. -With this strike, I gouge your stomach.

7th twilight - Rosa is murdered by Nanjo after she leaves with Genji to get first aid for her wounds. - With this strike, I gouge your Knee.

8th twilight - Genji is murdered by Nanjo after he leaves with Rosa to get first aid for her wounds. - With this strike, I gouge your leg. You can no longer stand. The end is imminent.

9th twilight - Krauss is killed while trying to protect Erika. Nanjo unintentionally frames his own adopted granddaughter. - With this strike, I at last finish the vile witch off, may he eternally rest in peace.


This mystery is solved.

Deny it if you can. If not,

It’s checkmate
>> No. 222
THIS IS OUR FIRST GUESS
>> No. 223
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>>222
NANJO IS NOT THE CULPRIT!!!
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>>223
>> No. 225
>>223
THE REAL CULPRIT WILL NEVER BE AS AWESOME AS WILL-NANJO
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Other than that Nanjo is not "the culprit," it's possible that a large portion of the theory contains truth. How far would you take answering each question individually?

>>123

I believe us defending every part of the theory would be worthwhile.
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>>226
I said Nanjo isn't the culprit, right? With the wrong culprit there's no motive, and all of the howdunnits involved Nanjo committing the murders.

Looks like they're all denied, huh?
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>>227
Word play......
>> No. 229
>>227
Removing "Nanjo" from the theory (since it's wrong), the methods and motives could apply to anyone. For example, the culprit faked his or her death during the the first twilight.

Nanjo or not, this is part of the "howdunnit" question.
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>>229
And how exactly would they fake their death? Van Dine's 20th prevents any dummy figures from being used. Are you saying the same trick Genji mentioned would work with Eva or Natsuhi as the culprit?
>> No. 232
>>227
Can you assure us that the doctor is indeed named Nanjo? If they're a fake Nanjo, like the fake Battler from before, then there's still a chance.

And I can't get blue to work.
>> No. 233
Hmph. To answer your question sufficiently would take another guess, so I'll just say "yes, it was possible for others."
>> No. 235
regardless I believe the 2nd, 3rd & and 4th twilight's still stand regardless of Nanjo. We said Kyrie and Rudolf were killed via a remotely operated trap, Maria placed the letter, Hideyoshi was killed by a trap. Those were the hows we chose.
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>>232
On October 4th, 1986, the real Doctor Nanjo definitely existed on Rokkenjima.

>>233
>>235
.....Maria did not place the letter.
>> No. 238
>>236
Maybe the real doctor left at a certain point, only to be replaced by a fake.

Even without any replacement, we must be sure of which Doctor Nanjo you mean. How about distinguishing between the fat one from the VN, his son, and his granddaughter? Perhaps they were all doctors? The Nanjo we were referring to could have been any of these, in addition to anyone that posed as Nanjo.
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>>236
Thank you. For even though we tacked out 'whodunit' onto the portion of our 'howdunits' some of them still stand alone, and are different parts of the equation, and you said you would answer each part.

These last two also stand alone.

6th twilight - Nanjo (The who) kills Maria from outside on the ledge, using the secret passageway that Erika discovers. (The how)

9th twilight - Krauss is killed while trying to protect Erika.

Both the 6th and 9th also stand alone without the 'who' we tacked on, please answer them as well.
>> No. 240
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>>238
There was only one person named Nanjo on October 4th, 1986 on Rokkenjima. That Nanjo I am referring to was indeed the fat old man, not his son or granddaughter.

>>239
....Those are correct.
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>>240
A the 2nd twilight and 4th?

2nd. A trap Erika discovers in the kitchen that kills Rudolph and Kyrie. It is most likely activated remotely. (The Howdunnit)

4th twilight- Sets a gun to go off at the first person to reach for the atlas. (The howdunnit)

You must deny these in red since they were our how. Since: I'll qoute you. "I'll deny each question individually."
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>>241
....Those are also correct.
>> No. 243
>>240
During the course of the game, was there ever a case in which someone other than the fat old man was thought of as Nanjo?
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>>243
Only fat old men could be thought of as Nanjo during the course of this game.
>> No. 245
>>244
>plural
During the course of the game, was there ever more than one fat old man?
>> No. 246
>>245
Isn't Kinzo kind of fat? lol
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>>245
I was willing to accept the other requests before, but this is getting ridiculous.

Phrase it in blue if you want me to say something about it.
>> No. 248
>>247
Well, theory or not, I'm merely asking about factors unrelated to the "crime," as worded by Van Dine's 8th. There's no problem with confirming definitions, right? As Rosa said, Kinzo and George may be considered fat, and are therefore valid candidates for the name of Nanjo.
>> No. 249
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>>248
Ah, Van Dine's 8th. Alright then.

There was more than one fat old man on Rokkenjima during the course of the game.
>> No. 250
>>249
Erika can be lied to when she uses her theater power, yes or no.

And to quote you again. You said once in one of the streams, we could ask you questions that you would answer as long as it did not pertain to one the the twilight puzzles.
>> No. 252
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>>250
Short answer: Yes.

Theatergoing Authority shows the truth as the speaker knows it. If the speaker was deceived into believing something about the story, then Erika can also be deceived by listening to that story from the speaker's point of view.
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Pressing Kinjo for answers, are we~? Let's be careful we do not end up fooling ourselves, now.

I'd say we gained a fair amount with this guess, though of course we're clearly still some distance from the answer. Wouldn't want to let them "higher powers" down and solve it, now would we?
>> No. 254
Umm Kinjo this is kind of a random question but. How did the culprit even kill Maria from the ledge? I mean the kickback from the rifle on a small ledge, that would most likely cause them to fall off or at least almost fall.
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>>253
You might be closer than you think.

>>254
A miracle occurred.
To be precise, they entered the room, shot Maria, and went back to the ledge. I guess I should have been more specific earlier, but that wasn't my main concern at the time.
>> No. 256
>>255
Did you ever expect that we were going to go with the Nanjo isn't really fat theory?
>> No. 257
The "Nanjo" we think is Nanjo is not the Nanjo that cannot be the culprit.

Ow.
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>>256
I was hoping you would be able to pull of a theory of that caliber. It's quite good.

>>257
No one by the name of "Nanjo" is the culprit.
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Just so you all know, I'm letting you argue in favor of your current theory until you propose a new one.
>> No. 260
>>259
The guy who shares your sprite in-game did it.
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>>260
Knox's 1st. Does "that guy" have a name?
>> No. 262
>>261
Does the culprit need a name? We only need to have a face to attribute to them.
>> No. 263
>>261
Mr. Strange. He is quite the suspect, you know.
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>>262
It would be good if the culprit had a name. Assuming he is the culprit.

>>263
His name is not Mr. Strange.
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>>264
The culprit's name... Is Kinjo!
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>>265
Very interesting idea. Knox's 8th. How do you explain this in the story?
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>>266
Has anybody seen them in the same room lately?
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>>268

.....

....Seen who?
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>>269
Kinzo and Nanjo obviously. Either one could be masquerading as the other while a different one is used as a corpse.
>> No. 271
>>266
How about this Kinjo took Nanjo's place the day Beatrice died at the time when Natsuhi went to the doctors. Because Nanjo was told that it was him that day, Nanjo's flashback just showed what Nanjo thought happened. Krauss and Natsuhi also thought that it was actually Nanjo so it there flashback assumed that same thing. But it was actually Kinjo pertending to be Nanjo, he even used the same doctor's coat and had Nanjo's badge on. The evidence for this is the two of them look nothing alike, even completely different facial structure.
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>>270
>>271
No and no.

I'll let you all think about that for a while, but I'm done for tonight.
>> No. 273
Sucker punch.
Maria didn't put the letter on the table, it was already there, and was left by the culprit. Maria only revealed it, unoticed because of another reason; Maybe it was somehow hidden
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>>273
The culprit did not place the letter.

Anyway, earlier since I did say I wouldn't go easy on you, I'm giving you EXACTLY 24 HOURS FROM NOW to present your second theory. If you are still confident in your first theory, keep posting blue truths here. Otherwise, start thinking of another theory to post here tomorrow.
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>>274
Oh really? But that wording ...
The letter was already on the table
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>>275
If so, then why didn't Erika find it sooner?
>> No. 277
>>276
Failed a perception check.
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>>277
.........

....Anyway, that doesn't solve anything. How long ago was the letter placed, in that case? And who placed it?
>> No. 279
>>278
No idea, and somebody whose interests conflicted with those of the killer.
>> No. 280
>>278
That damn letter.
Question, do this puzzle is something we can solve only with the text of the letter? Is this not another thing we need to do in game?
>> No. 281
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>>280
Yes. Actually, there are two ways to solve the letter. My way, and Meta's way. Meta's way is significantly easier, and requires no outside resources whatsoever. Mine, on the other hand, requires some extra knowledge.
>> No. 282
>>281
Meta solved it as well? Hmm if only were sure who placed it.
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>>281
It's a pun, isn't it?
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>>283
Well, what else do you expect from something like that?

Yes, it's epitaph-like wordplay. A very childish riddle.
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>>284
"Yasu, praise my name over the gold bar."

Clearly somebody wants them to choose between them and the gold.
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>>285
Incorrect.
>> No. 287
>>286
Somebody believes Yasu knows where the gold is.
>> No. 288
>>284
Childish wordplay? Using only the english language, right?
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>>287
Incorrect (for the letter's riddle at least).
>> No. 290
>>289
This letter is being used to blackmail Yasu.
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>>290
...This letter is being used to blackmail Yasu.

That's not the answer to the riddle though.
>> No. 292
>>291
That's all I got, though.
>> No. 293
Clarify: In the context of the letter, Yasu only refers to the name of a person on the island.
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>>293
In the context of the letter, Yasu only refers to the name of a person on the island.
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>>294
Kinjo did you know that the name Yasu can mean, Gold?
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>>295
Nope. Another funny coincidence.
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The word 'bar' at the end of the letter refers to a person's name.

The word 'bar' at the end of the letter is the writer's signature!

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In this kakera, Kanon and Shannon are not the same person!
>> No. 299
The bar at the end are referencing the katakana
'ba' and 'r'
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Sorry, but now it seems like you're just shotgunning things to try and solve the riddle as fast as possible.

I want to keep the difficulty of the riddle still somewhat high, so I'll stop answering your requests. Please try and figure out the rest on your own.
>> No. 301
>>300
Ok, I didn't want to use this but.

There are no clues, that point out you need extra info, or even any clues to the answer.
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>>300
But I really thought I was on to something specific and important.

Or at least grasping the edge of something specific and important.
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>>301
Solving this riddle isn't necessary to solve the game, so that doesn't matter.

>>302
If you think so, put it in your next theory.
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>>303
Well, 'Bar' is done in gold, so naturally we think 'Gold Bar'. And a gold smith works with a gold bar, so the letter is saying "Yasu, praise the name of Goldsmith."

Let's pretend for a moment that Kanon and Shannon are separate people who share the same identity of "Yasu". This letter is addressed to Shannon, telling her to not reveal something.

Now think back to how nobody could pose as Nanjo except an old fat guy. But could only an old, fat guy pose as the corpse of Kinzo? As Kanon's is missing from the shed, I propose that it is the corpse of Kanon that takes the place of Ushiromiya Kinzo's corpse.

Or something, it seemed more organized in my head.
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Since we were discussing this in the stream just now, I might as well go ahead and post it.

We were hoping to be granted a small extension on the time limit. While we have some theories, we haven't been able to really get most of us together to put them together into something as cohesive and complete as what was submitted before.

I suppose that's the problem with having multiple detectives instead of one, we have so many different schedules and such it's difficult to coordinate everyone.
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By popular demand, I am extending the time limit another 24 hours. HOWEVER, if they accept this offer, I WILL NOT GIVE OUT ANY MORE RED UNTIL THEY POST THEIR THEORY.

I feel really bad about this. I said I would not go easy on you. But I feel like I've been going far too easy on you regardless. I want you to think, not for me to think for you. Meta solved the game using only 25% of the information you have, before the game progressed to the second day. He received far less red truths than you have, and still solved it. Meta only lost a bet, but he really did solve my game, in less than six hours. I've given you all weeks to solve it, much more information, and some times even held your hand, which Meta did not get at all, and he still solved it. This game was originally intended to be cruel and unfair, so that's how it's going to be. So, I want you to do your best to logically deduce everything without my help. Otherwise, the way things are turning out, this game will be nothing more than a practical joke, and I won't allow that to happen.
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>>306
...And I forgot to put my theory in blue.
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>>306
I'll remember this..
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>>306
>not post any more red until you give our theory
Honestly I was surprised you were giving out so much red "for free." I figured you'd have been stricter there.

I think we should be able to put together something for you in 24 hours time, but I'm sorry we're not Meta.
>> No. 310
>>306
Here's what I don't understand about that. How is it even possible to really solve the mystery without bearing witness to any of the murders? You wouldn't even know what it was you were supposed to be solving. By that logic then, wouldn't it be more accurate to say he figured out who had the best motive to commit the crime? If you're saying he reasoned out a single culprit from the PLOT, and then proceeded to explain how that culprit could have done everything, that would make perfect sense; otherwise, I guess I don't see how it would even be possible to completely solve the game without proceeding to the second day.

As long as we're on that subject though, you can confirm the killings were only possible for a single culprit who also had a motive, right? I wouldn't really call it winning if by the end of the game, we had managed to come up with an alternate, but technically possible truth, though at the same time, I wouldn't really call it losing either.
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>>310

Would you believe I learned some new tricks while I haven't been on /seacats/ talking about how our days went? No offense, but you guys don't obsess about mysteries as much as I do, so in this regard, you guys are incompetent. I could go on to tell you guys how I managed to do it, but you guys wouldn't care any which way. Just know you guys even as a collective group cannot notice the simplest of things. Even after cheating by abusing a messed up code so you guys could get ALL information you still haven't found the heart of this mystery.

Anyway, I'm answering you in place of Kinjo, he's a bit busy at the moment.
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>>311
Yes yes, you're a genius when it comes to mysteries, we're incompetent, etc... I'm willing to accept all of that, but it doesn't change the fact that you just deflected my question instead of answering it. I'm not saying you didn't solve the mystery, i'm asking how it's possible to do so without seeing any of the murders. Maybe you're right Meta, maybe we can't even notice the simplest of things, maybe we can't see the heart, but I'm still curious as to how you were able to solve the entire game without seeing a single one of its crimes.
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>>312

You really want to know? Fine, I'll help you out just this once.

Because I'm psychic.

Ok, jokes aside.

Ask yourself "Why? when you come to a crime or murder.

It's a technique someone showed me. I hope you understand what I mean by asking yourself that question.
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>>313

Forgot to add I scrutinized EVERYTHING with that technique, and hell, I even had to invent a new technique for me to find the culprit.

I always have trouble finding those damn culprits.
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>>314
So you basically asked yourself 'why' kinjo included this, why he wrote it this way, and so on? That only works out if you understand a bit about who wrote it.
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>>315

You don't need to understand the person to understand what they wrote, I connect the dots, I followed logic and reasoning, like Kinjo said, I received less red truth from him than you guys have. But to be honest, I received only two red truths in the span of six hours, which didn't give me any information aside from that "I was wrong" about two things. I denied my own theories, I used the detective rules, I asked myself "Why?" constantly, I pulled off finding the culprit in such a way even Kinjo said "wow" to.
>> No. 317
>>313
Right, when you come to a corpse or crime.

>>314
If you scrutinized everything, that would include the actual deaths wouldn't it? I might be misunderstanding you here, but I think that would still require knowledge of the actual murders, wouldn't it?

>>316
And you're saying you did all of this, and figured it out, with proof, before the first twilight even occurred? If so, even i'd be incredibly impressed.
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>>317

I can't say anymore otherwise I'd be giving hints away, all I'm doing is giving you tools I used to help me solve this. I'll tell you guys after you win or lose and all of this is over.
>> No. 319
>>318
Alright, I suppose that's all I really want.
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Unrelated to that conversation, but there is something I wanted to clarify.

When Dlanor mentions that "Everyone at the table has introduced themselves to you," and they are all added to the TIPs, does that mean that Erika met each of those people around dinner time individually?

Of course, I'm primarily interested in Kanon, and whether or not meeting Shannon counts as meeting Kanon, but I'll ask the question in general terms.

I don't need any red here, it's just a casual question. I suppose you don't have to answer it if you don't want to.
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Kinjo, you are so crafty. You know that. You had our heads going around in circles, second guessing everything. Wondering what was up, and what was down. What was truth; what was fiction. Even making us go all sad and depressed. We had to rally together through force just to overcome it.

But despite our incompetence, we've got you now. You're now just a snake, and we have you by the tail, holding you high into the hair, where you squirm helplessly.

The culprit is

Well I'll get to that in a second. Want to let you squirm a little more before we get to the unmasking after all.

The hows:

2nd Twilight: The culprit killed Rudolf and Kyrie with a poison trap.

3rd Twilight: The letter was already on the table before the group went into the parlor after the first twilight.

4th Twilight: Kinzo's corpse was taken and burned in the boiler.

5th Twilight: A trap was attached to the atlas so when Hideyoshi picked it up. BANG!

6th Twilight: The culprit shot Maria used the passage to enter the bathroom and shot her.

7th & 8th Twilights: Rosa and Genji were shot and killed in the servants room.

Krauss' death: The culprit shot and killed Krauss while he trying to protect Erika.


Now who is this horrible monster that murdered the Ushiromiya family?! The culprit is in the trap, now time to pull off the mask and reveal them. Squirm all you want, but nothing can escape this blue web.

The heartless monster who murdered so many people is

KINJO!

Shaking? Quaking? You should be. For unlike last time, where our wording choices and such killed the truth we were close to, we've got it now. If only we would have had Genji use your name, the culprit couldn't have been denied. It is kind of funny really, the actually culprit's name was in our last theory post.

Knox's 1st: The culprit must be someone in the story.

Kinjo was shown to us through flashbacks, he was in the story. He is not a person X, he is Kinjo.

The trick here is Kinjo IS and ISN'T Nanjo. Kinjo is actually the 19th person. Kinjo is another personality of Nanjo's. Kinjo was born from Nanjo's depression and sadness for not being able to save Beatrice's life for Kinzo, and from preventing Kinzo from going down a dark road. And since Kinjo is a personification of Nanjo's negative feelings, seeing his granddaughter's condition get worse and worse had a very negative effect on Kinjo. When he saw the chance to get the money to save his daughter, Kinjo thought, if only I had the Ushiromiya family's money, and BAM instant motive. Desperation and need, the two things any murderer has.

1st twilight: Kinjo faked his death using Kinzo's corpse. Which was later thrown into the boiler.

Nanjo's personality took over then and placed the letter to Yasu, which makes Yasu cooperate with him.

Here's your solution; you happy? Pleased with yourself that you made yourself the villain?
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>>322
>>323
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>>322
You know, grabbing a snake by the tail only allows it to climb up itself and bite you.

Kinjo is not a split personality of Nanjo! The only one with DID on Rokkenjima is Yasu, his granddaughter!!!
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>>325
Then it follows that Kinjo is a split personality of Kinzo.
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>>327
Like I just said, the only one with DID on Rokkenjima is Yasu.
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>>328
A fake identity, then. A nickname, even. Or a name belonging to a group consisting of two people, Kinzo and Nanjo.[/b]

Also, I would like to propose that Kinzo used his own death to set forward a plan to make Yasu the head of the family.
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>>329
And by all this, I mean Kinjo is a fake identity, etc. etc.
>> No. 331
>>328
If one personality "dies," is the person still considered to have DID?
>> No. 332
>>331
It looks like you were right Bern when you said it was Kinjo.
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Grovelling for as much information I see, can't help but revert to shotgunning to figure out a mystery? You guys still haven't used my technique from the looks of it, otherwise you'd have solved this mystery by now.
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>>332
How silly, I am not Bern and I take no credit for that
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>>333
It's more like a pickax in this case, since I know where I'm trying to go with this but I'm not sure if I can get through.
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>>329
I'm not sure what you mean by fake identity.

Van Dine's 12th. There must be only one culprit.

And I'm not sure what you're implying with that last one. You mean like in Ep7?

>>331

I think I know what you're getting at. For the entire duration of the game, only Yasu had DID.
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>>335

Not to toot my own horn, but I didn't need to blue it up to get my answers. All I did was ask myself "Why?". It's simple, a simple question to yourself as you look through the facts, the fiction, and the hypothetical should let you see the answer.
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>>337
yeah.. yeah blah.. blah.. blah. Don't care.
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>>338

So angry, take a chill pill won'cha? That's probably why you can't see the truth, you're all too serious about it.
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>>336
One culprit, one accomplice. Only one of them had to kill.

Ad I suppose it would work like that, except Kinzo is the one who killed in this game, one way or another.
>> No. 341
>>336
Well, that doesn't really deny what I had in mind, but I don't really wish to squabble too much over precise definitions and possible red loopholes. It just looks bad in this kind of game.
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>>340
I don't see how that could work. Kinzo was dead at the start, so how could he be an accomplice, much less a culprit?

If that's what you think, it's different from your current theory, so you can use that as your third try later on.
>> No. 343
Seacats, please check the other board.
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>>342
The culprit does not have to be alive to kill a person.
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Oh, and something I overlooked: Kinzo gave his inheritance and title of family head not to Yasu, but to Nanjo. From that, he fused the two names together and became Kinjo.
>> No. 346
Kinzo gave Nanjo his title, thus chaning his name from Nanjo to Kinjo.

If this is somehow right, I'm going to laugh because that was what I had wrote at first.
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>>344
You should be able to answer that one yourself.

You are confident in your own howdunnits, right?~
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This is beginning to become pathetic. The only blues you should throw at Kinjo are the ones that count as your try. It's as if you guys can't play a straight game without trying to bypass the rules.
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>>348
It's as Meta said.

Your blues aren't even what your theory proposed, they're completely different now. Answering them would make this game meaningless, so I won't.
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>>347
It all depends on whether in this fragment, Kinzo could still be alive during the family conference. Any fragment considered a forgery could be immune to red truths regarding Kinzo's life or death status during other games.
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Either way I can't wait for this game to end. It means I can stop checking back here over and over again to see if someone else sacrificed a try. Have to admit Kinjo, my Plank of Carneades trick is pretty nice eh?
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>>351
Is it really abandoning a theory when something else starts making a lot more sense?
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>>353

It is when you expect us to let you have unlimited tries, and allowing scatter shots with blues. Instead of bluing every single new thought that strikes you, why don't you just use the already stated red and deny your own theories?
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>>355
A servant cannot be the culprit. They can be an accomplice, or something similar. And in such a tense atmosphere, if the right circumstances are met, the accomplice may fight back.

In other words, Yasu had a falling out with the person blackmailing them.

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>>356

You're still just going to spout blues anyway, aren't you?
>> No. 358
>>356
I don't think this kind of shooting off blues is permitted in the rules.
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>>358

We might as well let him. He probably doesn't even know what a Kansas City Shuffle is huh? Poor dolt.
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>>355
Come to think of it, nobody's done that yet.
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>>360

Duh, of course not, no one in your group has any good ideas. Van Dine's rules are a good place to start, that's what I used.
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...Anyway, I'm giving you all until Sunday Monday to solve it. Because I'll be too busy over the weekend.

Do your best.
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>>361
No, I mean compiled the text.
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>>363

Either way it works.
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>>360
Ya'know, whenever I think of a theory, I always try to check it with the rules and red text.

I don't expect to be perfect with it, but that's kind of the point of discussing it among the others before submitting it. Someone should catch it even if I somehow miss something.
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Kinjo, I'm sure a certain writter would not approve your gameboard! Anyways, there's a completely unrelated picture, and you better don't read the image name!
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One way or the other, it ends here. From the various hints and clues we have picked up, this is what we've come up with this time.

Howdunnit:

2nd Twilight: Poison trap kills Rudolph and Kyrie.
3rd Twilight: The letter was already in place before the group arrived in the parlor after the first twilight.
4th Twilight: Kinzo's corpse was taken and burned in the boiler.
5th Twilight: A trap was attached to the atlas so when Hideyoshi picked it up. BANG!
6th Twilight: The culprit shot Maria used the passage to enter the bathroom and shot her.
7th & 8th Twilights: Rosa and Genji were shot and killed in the servants room.
Krauss' death: The culprit shot and killed Krauss while he trying to protect Erika.

Who Dunnit:

Assuming what we've been told isn't a pack of lies, we have to say that the culprit is a person who was formerly the physician Nanjo. Whatever this person's name was, he was acting in the interests of Kinzo, or at least the vision of Kinzo he had internalized. The crafty physician was even able to fake his death in the first twilight, using the corpse of Kinzo as a body-double. Later, the corpses disappear and Kinzo's body is burned, so it works.

The clues? We already stated them with our first theory, though it seems to have been denied by a technicality. No matter, with the letter's riddle unraveled we have the last piece we need for this theory. Interestingly, Krauss suspects only either Kinzo or Kyrie would have the cunning to pull this off, and also suspects a body double was used.

Whydunnit:

The trickiest part for us. It's hard for me to fathom what could make a seemingly sane man go on a murderous killing spree, and it's quite clear the motive isn't something as simple as greed. However, if we keep in mind that this person has internalized the delusions and ambitions of the former head Kinzo, and clearly knew of Yasu's past in his efforts to manipulate her into cooperation. Nanjo and Kinzo seem to have a tight relationship in this game, and it seems that Kinzo made more of an impression on Nanjo than was immediately apparent. The motive definitely involves Yasu, as s/he was left alive in the servant's room while Genji and Rosa were killed.

Once a person takes an action, they must face the consequence of that action. There is no turning back. However, perhaps Kinzo's desire was for Yasu to have another chance. What kind of person could Yasu be, if s/he had another chance, with the person s/he Ioved? Is that the heart? I don't know. But it's what I propose, for now.
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>>368
Let me just say that whatever the outcome, it was fun. Thanks for all your hard work that you put into this, Kinjo.
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>>369
I feel the same Kinjo, I feel your work was not used as it's fullest by me. Anyways I hope you had as much fun trolling us as I had playing it.
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>>368
Very well. Let's see how close /seacats/ has come to the truth...!

Howdunnit:

2nd Twilight: Poison trap kills Rudolph and Kyrie.
3rd Twilight: The letter was already in place before the group arrived in the parlor after the first twilight.
4th Twilight: Kinzo's corpse was taken and burned in the boiler.
5th Twilight: A trap was attached to the atlas so when Hideyoshi picked it up. BANG!
6th Twilight: The culprit shot Maria used the passage to enter the bathroom and shot her.
7th & 8th Twilights: Rosa and Genji were shot and killed in the servants room.
Ninth Twilight: The culprit shot and killed Krauss while he trying to protect Erika.


Whodunnit:

The culprit is a person who was formerly the physician Nanjo. He was even able to fake his death in the first twilight, using the corpse of Kinzo as a body-double. Later, the corpses disappear and Kinzo's body is burned, so it works.

Whydunnit:

It's quite clear the motive isn't something as simple as greed. The motive definitely involves Yasu, as s/he was left alive in the servant's room while Genji and Rosa were killed.

Congratulations. You lost, because the motive was wrong!

Good game, /seacats/.

It's time to reveal everything now.

The truth is....

I am the culprit.

In 1944, Kinzo met Beatrice.
He took her to Nanjo's clinic after the battle on Rokkenjima.
Nanjo fell in love with her, and they had a child.
Beatrice died from childbirth.
The child was thought to be Kinzo's.
This child was raised as Beatrice 2, in Kuwadorian.
Kinzo had a child with her, shortly before she died from falling off a cliff.
This child was Yasu.
Yasu is Nanjo's granddaughter.

Nanjo secretly grew a deep hatred for Kinzo and his family.
Nanjo's lover and child had both been taken away because of Kinzo.
In the end, Nanjo's love became an illusion, and Kinzo was recognized as Beatrice's true love.
Nanjo decided to screw up Kinzo and his family's lives whenever possible.
Nanjo faked Natsuhi's pregnancy problems, so that there would not be another head.
Unfortunately Eva and Hideyoshi were able to have a kid without trouble, so he could do nothing about that.
When Rudolf got both Kyrie and Asumu pregnant, Asumu really did give birth to Battler, and Kyrie really did have a stillbirth.
Nanjo switched the babies to give Kinzo and Rudolf trouble, then switched them back when Rudolf forced him to.
Then, Nanjo gave the clinic to his son, who didn't play any tricks on Rosa when she gave birth.

Meanwhile, Beatrice-2, the daughter of Beatrice and Nanjo, grew up in Kuwadorian.
Kinzo, believing she was Beatrice reincarnated, slept with her, and they had a child.
However, Rosa stumbled upon the secret mansion and accidentally led Beatrice-2 off a cliff, and she died.
Beatrice-2's child was given to Natsuhi, and she was told to raise it as her own.
However, Natsuhi couldn't accept that, and tossed the baby off another cliff.
The baby miraculously survived, and was found by Genji, who put it in the Fukuin House orphanage.
The baby, named Yasu, eventually started working in the Ushiromiya mansion as a servant.
The rest of Yasu's story happens exactly as it did in EP7.
Battler promised to take her away on a white horse, etc. etc.
In short, she developed DID.

Nanjo, who had been keeping a close eye on her, wanted to cure her.
In 1984, the portrait of Beatrice was put up.
Nanjo remembered Beatrice, the ten tons of gold belonging to Kinzo, and his hatred for the Ushiromiya family.
Nanjo wanted to revive his lost love, and get revenge on the person who took her away.
This is when Nanjo started poisoning Kinzo's absinthe.
Kinzo died in November 1984 due to absinthe poisoning.
His death was kept a secret until the family conference of 1986.
On that day, Nanjo broke into the study and stole the ring from Kinzo's finger.
Nanjo succeeded the headship, and became Kinzo-Nanjo.
Kinjo.

Kinjo was waiting for it to get late at night.
This is why he was asleep in the guesthouse earlier, so that he would have enough energy to commit the murders later on.
Yasu entered his room to serve him tea.
Kinjo confessed to her everything, that he was her grandfather and that he was going to murder everyone.
However, he also said that he would leave the people closest to Yasu alive.
Yasu chose George and Jessica.
Kinjo told her his plan, and made her his accomplice.
Yasu posed as Kanon and faked his death at the first twilight.
Kinjo faked his death in the first twilight by dressing Kinzo's corpse as his own.
Kinjo used the chemicals from Kinzo's study to essentially create a gas chamber in the kitchen, for the second twilight.
Yasu placed the letter in the parlor.
The answer: Yasu praise my name gold bar
Because it is a letter, it should be read like this:
The letter is to Yasu.
Its message: "Praise my name"
The letter is from: "gold bar"
"gold bar" in Chinese is 金條, which can be read in Japanese as "Kinjo"
Which are literally the Kanji from both their names combined
The fourth twilight, Kinjo burned all the corpses in the incinerator.
Only Kinzo's was noticed.
This was to prevent anyone from going back and finding out Kinjo's corpse was really Kinzo.
The fifth twilight, Kinjo took Rudolf's gun and set up a way for it to shoot whoever pulled out the atlas.
The sixth twilight, there was a hidden passage behind the bathroom's mirror, connecting to the bedroom and book archive.
Kinjo simply used it and shot Maria from there using Hideyoshi's gun.
The seventh and eighth twilights, Kinjo entered the servant's room through the window and shot Rosa and Genji, and left.
The ninth twilight, Krauss figured it out and saw Kinjo trying to attack Erika.
Kinjo shot him.
Shannon picked up Krauss's gun, and was framed.


But, even after all this, there is one final riddle.
(I'll give you as many tries as you want for this one.)

Erika is the detective.
Yasu is not the culprit.
Erika tied up Yasu's hands and pushed her into the ocean.


This is a paradox, because the detective cannot kill, and yet Yasu cannot swim back up.

However, this is not a logic error.

How can Yasu survive without using magic?
>> No. 373
>>372
Life preserver.
>> No. 374
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So, it was merely anger? That's was probably the first thing we thought. I don't think the motive was too hinted~ But well I accept it as the truth.
Also:

Yasu already survived a similar incident while being just a baby. It would not being imposible for her to survive again for mere chance that or robotic parts~
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>>372
Before we get to that, one question. When Erika uses the Theatergoing Authority to interrogate Nanjo, he tells us a lot about the original Beatrice. However, I can't find anything that suggests he fell in love with her, or had a child by her. Though I did find it somewhat suspicious that Kinzo never mentioned the child she had like it was his, and in fact didn't seem to acknowledge the child she gave birth to at all, it would seem like Erika should have been able to get Nanjo to admit to being in love with Beatrice if that was really the case.
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>>373
Nope.

>>374
The motive was love, too.
Irrelevant. How was it done?
And she isn't part robot.~
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>>372
Yasu is a mermaid!

Yasu managed to free her arms after being plunged into the ocean, or the rope was cut apart by a sharp rock on the way down!

Kinjo dived in to save her!

A humpback whale saw yasu, and carried her to safety on its back!
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>>376
Van Dine rules are not considered magic, but they can still affect the game in strange ways. Rosa was unable to kill herself after two shoots, Hideyoshi was mysteriously attacked when he was talking. There are hints enough to claim Van Dine rules would not let Yasu dies if she was not attacked by the culprit.
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>>375
It was mostly implied. If you look at Nanjo's facial expressions, you can tell he's not happy. And during one of the streams Genji even commented on how negative he was, so it was noticeable. Also several hints like 'If you were to run off with some Italian woman, the entire Ushiromiya family might fall one day for that reason' and 'Beatrice-sama is the one who caused these murders'.

>>377
Yasu is not a mermaid!

Yasu was unable to free her arms after being plunged into the ocean, and the rope was not cut apart on the way down!

Kinjo did not dive in to save her!

A humpback whale did not carry Yasu!


>>378
A valid point, therefore I shall add to the red! Yasu was able to rise above the ocean, and walk on water! It's magic!
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>>377
"Mermaid" is kind of close to magic, don't you think~?
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>>379
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKO4qdsDT3k
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>>379
I do have one other inquiry before I state my final thoughts, Kinjo. The reason I was originally so unwilling to believe "Kinjo" was the culprit is because of this.

Knox's 1st. It is forbidden for the culprit to be anyone not mentioned in the early part of the story.

The name "Kinjo" was never actually mentioned during the first day of the mystery, so doesn't this solution therefore conflict with Knox's first law?
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>>379
Fair enough. I can see the hints there, I just thought the Theater-going authority would make him spell it out. It seemed to have the effect on everyone else of making them not hold back anything--I can't imagine Natsuhi blurting out all that she did to some random stranger.

Oh, and, she escaped with Kinjo in the submarine, duh.
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>>381
I just knew someone would post that, heh~

>>382
In the very first chapter, Kyrie made a blue truth, which was not denied.

'Ushiromiya Kinzo' is a title given to the bearer of the ring of the head!

And after that you just combine Kinzo+Nanjo and get Kinjo.

>>384
Kinjo was not inside the submarine. So that's impossible.
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Might as well say it now Kinjo. What we were holding back.
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>>385
Kinjo didn't need to be inside. Kinjo was on deck, to help hoist up Yasu.
>> No. 388
>>379
the surface of the water was frozen
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For the record I figured the Yasu part out a few days ago.
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>>385
Yasu didn't die because of the same reason Erika didn't die
Yasu is Jesus.
Yasu is Buda.
Yasu is Ala.
Yasu is the pink invisible unicorn
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>>388

What did you want me to explain again?
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>>390
You forgot "flying spaghetti monster."
>> No. 393
Yasu was not literally walking on water.
Yasu was suspended by a rope.

>> No. 394
>>391
You can't even scroll up that far? Lazy. Anyway, how you managed to logically solve the murders before witnessing them. I can see solving the Whodunnit and maybe even whydunnit, but not the howdunnit. Nor can I see any way to prove the first two.
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>>386
Here you go~

Meta solved my game before even playing it.

>>387
Kinjo was not on deck.

>>388
The water was not frozen.

>>389
Yep.

>>390
Nope.

Erika didn't die because Kinjo is a doctor, and she was one sacrifice too many, so he just fixed her up and left her in the arbor, assuming you got a BAD END.


>>393
Yasu was not suspended by a rope.
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>>395
This is not the first time Meta tries that. One time gotta be right~
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>>395
....welp, that answers that.
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>>395
>Meta solved my game before even playing it.
>> No. 399
Yasu's breastforms served as makeshift floatation devices

Yasu simply used her legs to get to the surface, she didn't need her arms
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>>394

I'm just that good. But as Kinjo said, I solved his game before playing. Hell, Kinjo, you should tell them how I was pointing out the answers and doing shit that would discredit the whole "ending". In the beginning of playing his game, I immediately went to the guest house believing I would find the culprit.
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>>395
...Kinjo was hanging off the side of the submarine on the ladder, to rescue Yasu from the water?
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>>400
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>>399
Yasu's fake breasts were not used as flotation devices.

Yasu didn't swim with her legs to the surface.


>>400
Meta said Yasu was Nanjo's granddaughter as soon as he mentioned his daughter had a rare mental illness. Meta also solved the letter by realizing that Nanjo was given a gold bar to keep Beatrice a secret, hence the "gold bar" in the letter was code for Nanjo. And Meta remembered "Kinzo" was a title belonging to the wearer of the ring, and thus you get "Kinjo" as the solution to the letter.

>>401
Kinjo did not use the sub to save Yasu.
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>>403
Battler came on a white horsesubmarine and saved Yasu!
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>>404
Correct!

The letters written on the submarine, "CA*A*LO*I*NCO", are actually Italian, "Cavallo Bianco", thus, the submarine is named "White Horse". Battler was inside the sub the whole time, so he DOES show up at the end, to save Yasu on a white horse!


Congratulations, that's it! Well done!
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>>405
>Caballo Blanco
Heh, that doesn't make too much sense, but it works~
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>>407
Blame Google Translate, then~
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>>408
Oh I don't know, Caballo Blanco would be the spanish translation.
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>>405
I didn't even know about the Italian bit. I guess I should have done more research on that.

Anyways, I would like to restate that it was a pleasure to play with you. I'm quite surprised how much of it was right on our first guess. I didn't expect too much trouble with the howdunnits (possible exception of fake death first twilight and letter, but we at least got the first part right), but our whodunnit was only wrong on a small technicality.

I totally didn't see the Nanjo being the actual biological grandfather bit coming, though. My assumption on the Theatergoing Authority's power would have me completely locked out of that option.

Anyways, impressive work on the game as always, Kinjo. I'll be looking forward to the next!
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>>410
>to the next!
Didn't he say this was his last game?
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>>411
I thought he said the opposite. Maybe I was mistaken?
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>>405
Well Done, Kinjo. Despite my inability to solve your mystery properly, I would be lying if I said I didn't have an extraordinary amount of fun trying, at least for the short I was involved. The game itself was no doubt an unbelievably ambitious undertaking; so with that, I both applaud you and appreciate the enormous amount of effort that you've expended over the past half a year in delivering this one-of-a-kind experience to us.

With that, I do believe it's customary for me to provide a token of appreciation once you've completed a game, is it not? Therefore, while it isn't much, I humbly ask that you accept this as a token of my gratitude, for a most enjoyable mystery.
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>>411
My last "real" game, in the sense that it follows the normal Umineko pattern.

The next one will be completely different, in almost the same way Ep8 is to the rest of Umineko. I think you all will enjoy it though.
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>>413
SAVED!
>> No. 416
Also, as per standard /seacats/ policy, i'd highly recommend taking a look at the secretsecret board, you might be surprised to see some of the things we theorized about there. In case you aren't already aware of its name, it and my own are one in the same.
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>>416

That? Me and Kinjo have been reading that since the first thread. We saw everything you guys were planning ahead of time, it wasn't much of a secret.
>> No. 418
>>417
And here I trusted him not to peek. Oh well.
Oh by the way, assuming you weren't just trolling the hell out of us,(which i'm sort of guessing is the case) what on earth did the Plank of Carneades have to do with any of this?
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>>418

That? It's a psychological trick of mine. The number of tries you guys had. That was my idea. Basically it makes you feel relaxed at first, then you get annoyed when your first try is wrong, and you try harder on your second try. When that is wrong too, you'll be too agitated to make a good call on the third try and out of frustration you'll mess up. It's my trick I used on a group of five+. It worked like a charm.
>> No. 420
>>419
...so essentially, you just used the name because you thought it sounded cool?~
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>>420

No. Basically, when I first used it, people were given three blues. Once those three blues were used up they cannot make another blue for themselves again. Because of a few people's personalities they wouldn't listen to any other people and what their theories were. The Plank of Carneades was basically "Who pushes who off the plank to get a better shot at solving it themselves?". Hence, Plank of Carneades.
>> No. 422
>>421
I see, that makes more sense at least. The way you put it before really had me wondering how you'd applied it.
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>>422

With that, I'm done with this shitty place. Only bothered to post here and there to troll you guys. Au revoir.
>> No. 424
>>423
Farewell, Meta~
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>>418
I knew we needed a password protected board~
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>>182
>It is done
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