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The roulette continues to spins, spins, spins.
This time I shall take the floor as Game Master. It will prepare me for when I finish my actual game after all.

Devil's Roulette Download: http://www.mediafire.com/?o0u3b4tff6ork67

Let the battle begin.
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At 6:00 PM on October 4th

Furudo Erika washed up on Rokkenjima

The portrait in the entrance hall clearly showed the figure of this witch, also displaying her riddle, her challenge to the family.
If the riddle were to be solved, the ten tons of gold would be theirs.

Erika had deduced that the epitaph in the entrance hall could be interpreted as Kinzo's test to see who should get the inheritence.
The family members slowly realized the girl was probably right, and they discussed the riddle for hours.

Erika successfully solved the epitaph before midnight.
She left the family members to distribute it as they wished.
In the meantime, Erika sealed every room in the mansion and guesthouse with ducttape, before finally going to the room next to the cousin'd room in the guesthouse, and listening next door the whole night.

Earlier that day, Maria had given Jessica and Battler two scorpion charms to repel magic.

The charms continued to remain in their possession the whole night.

Thus ends the first day. October 4th, 1986.

The next morning, six people had gone missing, and there was a huge uproar.

The First Twilight:

Hideyoshi: marks around neck, found in the chapel
George: hanged, found in the chapel
Rosa: decapitated, found in the chapel
Natsuhi: missing
Kyrie: hanged, found in the chapel
Gohda: marks around neck, found in the chapel

Upon discovery of the bodies, the door and window were locked. Additionally the key to the chapel was found inside of a letter which was underneath Rosa's head.

Come at me as you wish.
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>>3422
There's some opening in the chapel's ceiling! The bodies were lowered in using ropes, and some of them snapped, simply leaving marks but no rope (and in one case, a decapitated head!)
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>>3423
Nice try but,
There is not an opening in the chapel's ceiling.
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>>3424
There's an auto-lock on the chapel's door, so the culprit didn't need to lock it on their way out.
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>>3425
There is no auto lock on the chapel's door.
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>>3426
There's some other entrance or exit, aside from the door and window(s), that the culprit used to leave.
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>>3427
The door and windows are the only entrances and exits to the chapel.
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>>3428
Good, good. Was just making sure of the basics.

Here's my real theory: Repeat it in red! Rosa's head is inside the chapel!
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>>3429
I had a feeling you had some crazy idea, but that...is not what I was expecting!

Rosa's head is inside of the chapel.
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>>3430
Let's try this, then. Repeat it in red!

The key to the chapel was found inside the chapel!
>> No. 3432 edit
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>>3431
Even if your safe it might come back to bite you.
The Chapel Key was found inside of the chapel.
>> No. 3433 edit
There is a way to lock the chapel from outside the door. For instance, another key.
>> No. 3434 edit
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>>3433
The chapel door can only be locked from the outside with the Chapel key. There is only one Chapel Key.
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>>3426
There is an auto-lock on the window. If not, then there is a way to lock the window from outside, such as a key or perhaps the window is just broken but still "locked"
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>>3435
There is no auto lock on any of the windows.
The culprit did not lock any window from outside of the chapel.
The windows are intact.

>> No. 3437 edit
>>3436
*if that is the case
>> No. 3438 edit
>>3436
The culprit locked the window from the inside (although I have no idea how this will help me) or one of the victims locked the windows.

I guess the easiest way would be for you to repeat in red the victims were all disabled at the time of their death (that they were unable to do anything since they were being hung)
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>>3438
None of the people who died locked the window.
The window was locked from the inside.
At the moment the victims received their wounds they died and stopped moving.

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>> No. 3441 edit
There were more than 5 in the chapel or perhaps They're not all dead (they = the 6 people)
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>>3441
When Erika entered the chapel and discovered the bodies she could only find 5. Those five bodies being Hideyoshi, George, Rosa, Kyrie, and Gohda.
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>>3442
I realized I didn't fully explain two things.

The door to the chapel can be locked from the inside without a key.
The way i worded the red about the door only being able to be locked from the outside with the chapel key could have been misinterpreted etc.
Erika cut the heads of the bodies, they are dead.

Anyway, don't mind if I'm offline. Just post any blues you have and I'll get to them.
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The two hung bodies were on a pulley system, so that after X amount of time the weight of the bodies caused the door to become locked from the inside.
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>>3450
don't use my theories etc
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>>3451
lol, sorry. I actually forgot you used that.
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>>3450
I like the theory but I'll have to deny it~
The culprit did not set up a device to lock the door from the inside.

>>3451
Why don't you post more theories then?
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>>3452
Pfft, don't worry I'm just being silly
>>3454
no need to solve rosa's first
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>>3454
An accomplice set up a device/method then.

Or

A person who was not an accomplice nor a culprit set up the device/method, planning on using it for something else (a prank perhaps.) the culprit or accomplice just used it.
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>>3458
Your are correct about that.
An accomplice locked the door from the inside.

I'm sure you can get the rest of these twilight now.
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>>3459
*the rest of this twilight now.
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>>3459
Hmmm..

The accomplice hid in the chapel. And locked the door after the culprit left.
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>>3461
That is Correct.

Occam's razor, you know~
I'll post the 2nd twilight tomorrow. You may have gotten the first twilight but there are many more harder mysteries to solve~
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>>3462
That's what happens when I play... Occam's Razor cuts me in two...
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As everyone sat in the parlor thinking about who the culprit could be Erika started to doze off. Battler noticing this offered to take her up to a guest room. The rest of the people split up in groups. Rudolf, Jessica, Maria, and Krauss went to Kinzo's study. Kanon, Genji and Shannon went to the servant room. Lastly, Kumasawa and Nanjo stayed in the parlor. Erika asked Battler to go seal each of the doors with the duct tape seals she made. Additionally, after setting the chain lock to her room also asked him to seal her own door. She also told him to come back here and wait outside the door once the job was done.
After Erika awoke she unlocked her door and left the room. Then with Battler, she checked the tape seals one at a time. When the group from the study exited, they noticed that Krauss and Rudolf, feeling unsafe had gone to Kinzo's gun collection and had each taken one of the Winchester rifles. They then went to the servant room and got Genji's group. Lastly upon arrving at the parlor they found a paint like substance on the door. Upon further investigation it seemed to be locked. Genji used his master key to open the door.

Second Twilight:

Kumasawa: blue in the face, found in the parlor
Nanjo: blue in the face, found in the parlor.

Demonic stakes were found lying next to each corpse.

Upon discovery of the bodies the door and window were locked.
Inside of Kumasawa's pocket was her master key.
Each tape seal was still intact when Erika checked them.


Obviously only Magic could solve this mystery!
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>>3494
There's no closed room here.

Anyone could have used a master key!
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>>3495
Kanon's master key never left the servant room.
Shannon's master key never left the servant room.
Genji's master key never left the servant room.
The follow applies to when Battler placed the seal on the door to servants room, to when Erika watched them leave the servants room.
Additionally, Gohda's key was disposed of once he was found dead. It is unusable.


Obviously magic was used to fly through the wall.
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>>3497
ffffffffffff
*the before mentioned applies to
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>>3497
Good, that's just what I wanted to hear!

The murders were committed before Battler placed the seal on the servant's room! Since Erika wasn't in the room at that time, anything could have happened!
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>>3499
Heh.
The Nanjo and Kumasawa were not killed before before Battler placed the seals.

Your right though~ Anything could have happened during that time, like Magic for example.
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>>3500
The window was not sealed. It could have easily been utilized!

I can always go through all of the expected possibilities of how the window was closed/locked...
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>>3501
I wanted to save this but...
The window to the parlor was never opened this whole game!
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>>3502
The timing of the seal's placement was not what we have been led to believe.

Or perhaps the "intact seal" is not the same seal which was first placed.
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>>3503
Battler placed the seals minutes after Erika ordered him too. There is no deception to when the seals were placed.
The three intact seals are the same that Battler placed.

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>>3504
>when the seals were placed
There is some deception to where or how the seals were placed. Perhaps the way the door was sealed allowed for entrance into the room via the door without breaking the seal.
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>>3505
Oh?
The seals were placed over the crack between the door frame and the door. If someone would to try to open the door while the seal is placed there it would rip.
If can think of a way to bypass that then go ahead.

To reiterate, "Upon further investigation it seemed to be locked. Genji used his master key to open the door."
When Genji opened the door he broke the seal. The door's lock was set when they arrived at the door.
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>>3506
There are plenty of ways to bypass this. The simplest would be for the door to come off of its hinges. It would open from the other side, leaving the seal unbroken!
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>>3507
As if I would use that old trick.
The door's hinges were not removed.
When the door is locked and closed no one can pass through the doorway.


That is, unless they used magic etc.
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>>3509
There is a method of projecting a weapon or tool (physical or otherwise) into the room without entering. Perhaps there is a hole in the door, wall, window, floor, or ceiling.
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>>3510
When the entrances are locked there is no way to project any objects into the room.
Additionally there are no other entrances or exits other than the window and door.

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>>3511
Repeat in red! Nanjo and Kumasawa are both dead and are the two bodies found within the parlor!
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>>3512
Nanjo is dead. His body is in the parlor.
Kumasawa is dead. Her body is in the parlor.

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>>3513
A culprit or accomplice is still in the room (or left somehow immediately following the detective's entrance into the room). An accomplice in this case must not necessarily be a willing or knowing accomplice (accidentally helped is still being an accomplice by this definition)
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>>3514
When the corpses were discovered no one was hiding in the room.
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>>3515
Suicide... or perhaps they killed each other...
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>>3516
Nanjo and Kumasawa did not kill each other.
Neither Nanjo or Kumasawa committed suicide.

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>>3517
An accident... or perhaps some sort of name trade...(like the whole shannon=kanon thing)
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>>3518
This was murder, not an accident.
There is no name trick involved with this murder.

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>>3500
That's right, I totally agree!

They weren't killed before before Battler placed the seals! They were killed in between before before Battler placed the seals and before Battler placed the seals!!!
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>>3520
Kinjo.....I have no idea what the fuck you are saying.

Well anyway It was probably my fault for having the biggest brain fart when writing that red true.
The Nanjo and Kumasawa were not killed before Battler placed the seals.
"before" is not a time interval or whatever.
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>>3522
Ok, just clarify something for me.

"Nanjo and Kumasawa did not die until after Battler placed all the seals."

Also,

Nanjo and Kumasawa died from lack of oxygen. There was no way for air to get into the room, so they died.
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>>3523
Sure.
Nanjo and Kumasawa did not die until after Battler placed all the seals.

Nanjo and Kumasawa did not die from lack of oxygen.

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Let me try three shots: before the corpses were discovered, no one was hiding in the room.

When Battler sealed the room, not only Nanjo and Kumasawa was inside but the culprit or an accomplice.

While Battler put the seals, Nanjo and Kumasawa were dying.

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>>3539
For your first blue;
>>3515

As for the second two.
When Battler sealed the parlor only Nanjo and Kumasawa were inside of it.

When Battler sealed the parlor Nanjo and Kumasawa were not dying.

>> No. 3541 edit
>>3540
Nanjo and Kumasawa choked on food and died.
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>>3541
Neither Kumasawa or Nanjo died from choking on food.
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And if my theory was right,

neither poison or traps killed Nanjo or Kumasawa.

And they don't killed each other, right?
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>>3545
Poison wasn't used to kill Nanjo or Kumasawa.
A trap wasn't used to kill Nanjo or Kumasawa.


I have already answered the third blue here.
>>3517
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>>3546
Pardon me, Ozaki-san. I'm little stunned here.

While Kumasawa e Nanjo died, they're alone in the room. They're killed for someone by outside.

Even if it was magic, their killer definitely not entered or left the room.
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>>3547
Well you might be even more stunned when I tell you that...
The killer entered the room, killed Nanjo and Kumasawa and then they left the room!
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>>3548
I wish to examine the bodies further.

Please provide a detailed explanation regarding any wounds received and any other oddity that may point to the cause of death.
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>>3549
Kumasawa's corpse is lying on the coach. Nanjo's corpse is on the ground beside the coach. The faces look as if they are bruised and a bit blotchy. Both of their corneas are filmed over, and the white of the eye is grey.
From what Erika can tell they died from either failure of the heart or lungs.

Nothing else could be found from looking at the bodies.
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...Is this really it?

There is an auto-lock on the parlor's door. As for the seal, perhaps this auto-lock system which shouldn't exist prevented it from breaking when the door was opened.
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>>3552
Nope.
There is no auto-lock on the door.
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>>3553
Repeat it in red.

'Kumasawa's master key was found in the parlor, inside her pocket.'
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>>3554
Kumasawa's master key was found in the parlor, inside her pocket.
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>>3555
...That's right, even if I make a theory where the key was used, it has to return to the inside of the room in the end.

By 'found', you mean a sleight of hand trick. When the survivors entered the room, the culprit pretended to discover the key in Kumasawa's pocket by physically placing it there and pulling it out.
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>>3556
That would be a good answer but sadly...
Kumasawa's key never left her pocket.
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>>3557
Irrelevant.

Repeat it in red:

'Kumasawa's pocket never left the parlor.'
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>>3558
Kumasawa's pocket never left the parlor.
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>>3559
...Repeat it in red.

'The parlor never left the mansion.'
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Repeat this please Ozaki.

"A door can be sealed only when it is fully closed."
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>>3560
The parlor never left the mansion.
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>>3561
Well, sure.
A door can be sealed only when it is fully closed.
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>>3563
Ok good. Next, up.

"No other tapes seals have existed aside from the ones either Battler or Erika placed."
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>>3564
Up to this point in the game no other tapes seals have existed aside from the ones either Battler or Erika placed.
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>>3562
Hey, Ozaki.

Mind telling me what happened to the original key to the parlor? The culprit probably used that to lock the door, after all.
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>>3565
Ok thank you. Next,

"No tape seals were broken until after Erika left her room she rested in, in the main house."
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>>3566
Ahaha oh that?
Erika asked the servants about it. They say that they all saw it in the key box when they entered the servant room after Erika went with Battler. When Erika checked after the second twilight the key to the parlor was in the key box.

>>3567
No tape seals that Battler placed were broken until the moment Erika left her room upon waking up, which was in the main mansion.
Erika already placed seals on every door in the main mansion, but since the groups had to break some of them to enter she asked Battler to go replace them before the second twilight happened.
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>>3568
I was wondering if I would catch you with that.

Anyway, moving on.

"No other exists or entrances in the parlor ever existed during this game aside from the door which leads into the hallway, and the windows."
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>>3569
Sure, I have no problem repeating that.
No other exists or entrances in the parlor ever existed during this game aside from the door which leads into the hallway, and the windows
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>>3568
Wait? You are saying Battler resealed all the rooms that were broken?

Alright, I request a list of the rooms Battler sealed.
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>>3571
Battler Sealed;
A Guest room(the one Erika slept in)
The Parlor
Kinzo's Study
The Servants' room


These are the rooms the groups went into, hence why Erika asked Battler to go put seals on these doors. He was "replacing" Erika's on these rooms because the groups would have broken the seals to get into the rooms in the first place.

Your requests are rather exact so I usually have to rewrite my response more then once.
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>>3572
Alright so am I correct in assuming the following room's tape seals are broken.

Natsuhi's room, Krauss's room, the room Rudolf slept in, and the kitchen.

Also the following is requested.

"The parlor key never left the key box during this game."
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>>3573
I refuse.
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>>3574
Both of them. Interesting.

Alright then,

"The window in the servants room was never opened."
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>>3575
I also refuse.
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>>3576
Alright next.

"Nothing entered or exited the room using the window."
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>>3577
I refuse to repeat it.
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>>3578
Hmm.....

Alright I guess since you refuse I'll attack that for now. Though I didn't expect it.

The window has a hole in it. Allowing something access even when it is closed.

The windows were always open, so therefore it doesn't violate your red about them being opened, since they were already open.
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>>3579
My mistake.
Nothing entered or exited through the window in the parlor.
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>>3580
Ok, good. That makes more sense.

Alright, let's continue establishing the setup.

"The parlor is 1 room, and it contains no other extra rooms."
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>>3581
>"The parlor is 1 room, and it contains no other extra rooms."
Correct.
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>>3546
Just out of curiosity what is your definition of a trap?

Also repeat this.

"When Kumasawa and Nanjo died, the culprit was in the parlor with them."
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>>3583
Trap; a device set up previously, which is then triggered by something with the result of it being activated.
It doesn't really matter though since a trap wasn't used.

I refuse to repeat that. I won't say why.
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>>3584
Repeat:"Kumasawa and Nanjo were killed in the parlor."
>> No. 3592 edit
>>3548
That's exactly I want to know. Now repeat.

The killer didn't used any windows to exit or enter in the room.

The killer didn't used the door to exit and enter in the room.

After Battler sealed the parlor, he was with Nanjo and Kumasawa. So he killed them.


(I know you said to much about windows, it's only to increase the drama effect.)
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>>3548
[color=blue]'Killer' in this case refers to a bullet or other object that interacted with the living bodies in a lethal way.

The culprit shot the victims from the outside, either through the door, a wall, from the ceiling or the floor.
>> No. 3594 edit
'Killer' in this case refers to a bullet or other object that interacted with the living bodies in a lethal way.

The culprit shot the victims from the outside, either through the door, a wall, from the ceiling or the floor.

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>>3585
Kumasawa and Nanjo were killed in the parlor.

>>3592
The culprit did not use any window in the parlor to enter or exit the room.
After Erika told Battler to seal the rooms he didn't enter the parlor until the discovery of the second twilight.

I refuse the second.

>>3594
The culprit is not a bullet.
Additionally;
>>3510
>> No. 3596 edit
* Additionally;
>>3511
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>>3595
The culprit is not a human being but an object that interacted with the victims in a fatal way. Therefore, the culprit never left the room, but is securely found within either of the two bodies, or in the confines of the room.

The human body that interacted with the culprit in order for the culprit to interact with the victims in a lethal way left the room normally, or never entered the room.

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Killer and Culprit are two different things in this Gameboard!

The Killer could be an Accomplice, for example!

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>>3597
The culprit is not an object that interacted with the victims in a fatal way.

I'm afraid I don't understand your second blue. From what I can gather you're saying that the culprit needed another body in order to kill the victims. In other words an accomplice. Is that right?

>>3598
The culprit is the only one who can/will kill on this gameboard.
An accomplice cannot kill.
There is only one culprit.

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>>3601
I'm saying that [color=blue]the 'culprit' is the murder weapon. My second blue states that the killer used the 'culprit' (murder weapon) to kill the victims.
>> No. 3603 edit
I wish that tag worked. Imagine the 'culprit' is the murder weapon to be written in blue.
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>>3601
>An accomplice cannot kill.
This remembers me something like... Van Dine #12: There must be only one culprit, although they may have one minor helper or co-plooter as an accomplice. Only using Purple Declaration because I don't know if I can use Red for Van Dine and Knox.

Due to this, I can say: Van Dine Rules applies in Ozaki's gameboard.
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>>3602
Ah. Well then.
The 'culprit' is not the murder weapon.
The person who killed is the culprit.

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I'm afraid I don't understand your second blue. From what I can gather you're saying that the culprit needed another body in order to kill the victims. In other words an accomplice. Is that right?

Yes, but you already answered it.

>>3421
Repeat: Killer and Culprit aren't the same thing!

As your red says, "the culprit is not an object that interacted with the victims in a fatal way."

But, the killer is an object that interacted with the victims in a fatal way.
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>>3604
Due to the nature of this thread(a DR game), not all of Van Dine's commandments apply to this gameboard. The same can be said with Knox.

>>3607
There is no word play regarding the 'killer' and the 'culprit'. They are the same thing.
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>>3606
Given our location, wordplay is an inevitable rot.

The culprit is an object that remained within the room.
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>>3609
Heh, that's true.
The culprit is not an object, nor did it remain in the room after the murders were committed.
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>>3610
Let's reason out here. Confirm if I'm correct.

The culprit and killer are one and the same.
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>>3611
That is correct.
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>>3612
And the culprit is responsible for the deaths of Nanjo and Kumasawa, and we may assume that the culprit is a human being, or is shaped as a human being, so to avoid denying the Witch with your own red.
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>>3613
Those is also correct.
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I saw that Battler and Erika are working together. However...

Van Dine #9: There mus be only one detective in the story.
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>>3615
Sure, Van dine's 9th is in place.
Although you might dig your own grave with that.
>> No. 3617 edit
Erika asked Battler to go seal each of the doors with the duct tape seals she made. Additionally, after setting the chain lock to her room also asked him to seal her own door. She also told him to come back here and wait outside the door once the job was done.
After Erika awoke she unlocked her door and left the room. Then with Battler, she checked the tape seals one at a time.

Each tape seal was still intact when Erika checked them.

Confirm: the above statement includes the seal on Erika's door.
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Battler didn't locked the door, only sealed it.

Gohda's key is unusable since he died.

Genji used Parlor's Key to open parlor.

The culprit removed the seal before unlock and open the door and put the seals back when his job was done. So, they're intact.

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>>3616
I do not care about my grave, but thanks.

Van Dine #20. These mysterty cliches must not be used: The cigarette butt, the bogus se'ance, forged fingerprints, the dummy-figure alibi, the dog which does not bark, the final pinning of the crime on atwin, the hypodermic syringe, committing the murder in the locked room after it was broken into, the word association test, and the cipher or code letter which is eventually unraveled by the detective.
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>>3618
With regards to this, please repeat:

I swear upon my role as Game Master that this is an honest mystery, with no jiggery pokery or nonsense involving tricks in narration: all mysteries presented are true mysteries that would remain such even if the events were experienced in person!

Because heavens know with people like Piece, sometimes they like to build a mystery that doesn't even work.
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>>3617
The tape seals mentioned in that red truth apply to the one Erika put on the inside of her room, and the ones that Battler put on the Study, Servants' room, and the Parlor. Battler told her that the one he placed on her door broke when she opened the door upon awaking.

>>3618
Battler didn't lock the door, he only sealed it.
Genji made Gohda's key unusable once Gohda was found dead.
Genji used his own master key to unlock the parlor.
If the seal was ever removed from where it was stuck and then put back Erika and or Battler would have been able to tell.


>>3619
Nanjo and Kumasawa were dead when the survivors discovered the bodies.

>>3620
I swear upon my role as Game Master that this is an honest mystery, with no jiggery pokery or nonsense involving tricks in narration: all mysteries presented are true mysteries that would remain such even if the events were experienced in person!

Obviously because a witch did it.
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>>3621
Confirm further.

Battler's seals were not placed in sequence: he first did a number of seals, then took a break before placing the last set of seals.

The culprit killed the victims during Battler's placing of the seals, completing the deed before Battler reached the Parlor!


They weren't dead before Battler began placing seals, but they could be dead while he was placing them. Denying the upper part doesn't deny the lower part, so please deny both of them if they're untrue.

Also, I trust that the culprit used a hitherto undiscovered passage to enter and exit the room is also wrong, and the room is properly impregnable except through the window or door, right? Naturally, the culprit left through the window without opening the window is also untrue, riiight?
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>>3621
And about the other cliches on Van Dine #20? Others cliches mentioned on Van Dine #20 can be valid in Ozaki's Gameboard.

Also, Van Dine #4: The detective must not be the culprit.
Van Dine #11: A servant must not be the culprit. For no contradiction due to Van Dine #11, the culprit cannot inherit the name "Beatrice"/The Name of the Witch.
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Alright repeat this please Ozaki.

"When Battler sealed the parlor door it was locked."

"Neither Nanjo nor Kumasawa locked the parlor."

Also please post your definition of "entrance" and "exit."
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>>3625
Black Witch, is it? Gyahahahahaha!! A true Witch doesn't give up in the face of adversity!!
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>>3621

And they can. Because one of them is the culprit or accomplice.

Erika or Battler can be the culprit or an accomplice. Or both accomplices.

Erika only said the tapes are intact, but not said anything about they get removed or something, because she is an accomplice.

Battler put his seals in a manner they could be removed easily, because he is an accomplice.


As you don't give any red to define the detective, you can't say they are in the "good side".
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>>3623
Battler sealed all the rooms one after another about a few minutes after Erika told him to.
Nanjo and Kumasawa were alive when Battler placed the last seal.

The following will answer the rest.
>>3540
>>3570
>>3580

-

>>3624
I said parts of Van Dine's commandments apply didn't I? By no means did I check to see if they all worked.
I will give you the simple ones if you ask them though. The detective cannot be the culprit. In this game Erika is the detective.
I have already stated that there are no name tricks involved with this mystery.
>>3519

-

>>3625
When Battler sealed the parlor door it was locked.
Neither Nanjo nor Kumasawa locked the parlor.
Entrance - An opening, such as a door, passage, or gate, that allows access to a place.
Exit - A way out, esp. of a public building, room, etc.


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>>3630
As I have just stated, Erika is the detective so she cannot kill.
Battler is not an accomplice.
>>3595
>>3548
I"ll say it anyway though. Battler is not the culprit.
Your blues about the seals are of no importance, since that would mean that the seal was still removed. And I have already answered a red about that.
>>3621

__

At this point in the game I ask of you to reread everything from the start of the second twilight to now. Not just my reds. Rereading is what helped the parlor key to be brought into this equation. Not that it's the same thing you should be looking for at the moment that is.
This simple thing will also(more importantly in my case) speed up the game since I won't have to reply to so many unnecessary blue truths.

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>>3631
When the group split up, one of them locked the parlor door.[,bl]
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>>3632
That is correct.
Genji locked the parlor door when everyone split up.
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>>3633
"When Battler sealed the door the person who had last locked the door was Genji."
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>>3634
When Battler sealed the door the person who had last locked the door was Genji.
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>>3635
"When Genji unlocked and opened the door and the victims were found the person who had last locked the door was, Genji himself."
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>>3636
I refuse.
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>>3637
[Just because the tape seal was on the door it did not prevent someone from entering through the door, and due to reason X the tape seal did not break.
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>>3638
Acknowledged.
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>If someone would to try to open the door while the seal is placed there it would rip.

What?

The culprit is a ghost.

Ok seriously.

The culprit broke up their molecular structure so that they could go through the space in between the keyhole, they then reformed inside the parlor, killed the two and then used the same method to leave.
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>>3640
So in other words...MAGIC!?
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>>3641
Nope; Science!

Also

Maria shoved herself through the keyhole. She is only 9 so she might be small enough.
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>>3642
None of those 'theories' are correct.
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>>3643
There are actually 2 doors to the parlor. Only 1 was sealed.

The door has another smaller door inside it, and since only the larger part of the door was opened the seal didn't break.

The door is one of those doors that the top and bottom can open separately only 1 of them was opened, and since the other one had the tape seal it didn't break.

>> No. 3645 edit
>>3643
Although I did get a good chuckle out of this one.
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>>3644
All three of those blues are incorrect.
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>>3646
Ok, confirm something for me.

When you said that the culprit entered the room. You mean that there full body entered the room correct?
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>>3647
Yes. The culprit completely entered the parlor before killing Nanjo and Kumasawa.
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>>3648
I know you said something about the seals and door before, but please repeat this exactly as said.

"After Battler sealed the door, the door was not 'opened' until the discovery."
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>>3649
I refuse.
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>>3650
Nanjo and Kumasawa were killed after Erika checked the seals.
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>>3653
Nope. The last seal Erika checked was the one on the parlor. So that would have only been seconds before discovering the corpses.
Nanjo and Kumasawa were killed before Erika checked the seals.
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>>3504
>Three intact seals
Erika's room, Parlor, Servant Room, Study.
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Battler sealed the parlor twice. Once before the murder and once after the murder.
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>>3655
Well she couldn't check the forth one Battler placed because it was on her own door.
>> No. 3658 edit
>>3656
Incorrect.
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>>3658
The killer was a snake in this goddamn mansion. It snuck under the door, strangled Kumasawa and Nanjo, then departed by slithering under the door again.
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>>3659
Ahaha.
In this gameboard animals didn't not murder or help to have a murder take place.
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>>3660
Repeat.

Between Genji locking the parlor door for the first time, and Battler sealing the parlor door, the number of people in the parlor never exceeded 2.
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>>3661
Between Genji locking the parlor door for the first time, and Battler sealing the parlor door, the number of people in the parlor never exceeded 2.
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Repeat:

The culprit did not touched the seals.

The culprit did not touched the door.

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>>3663
The culprit did not touch the seal on the parlor.

I refuse the second.
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Between Battler sealing the parlor door and Genji breaking the seal on the parlor door, the number of people in the parlor never exceeded 2.
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>>3665
Between Battler sealing the parlor door and Genji breaking the seal on the parlor door, the number of people in the parlor never exceeded 4.
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I said two. Between Battler sealing the parlor door and Genji breaking that seal, the number of people in the parlor was 3 or more at some point, and it was never less than 2, living or dead.
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>>3667
Correct.
Between Battler sealing the parlor door and Genji breaking that seal, the number of people in the parlor was 3 or more at some point, and it was never less than 2, living or dead.
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>>3667
So Kumasawa and Nanjo cannot have left, unless someone else entered to permit them to leave.

One of Kumasawa or Nanjo left after someone entered the room.
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>>3669
Neither Kumasawa or Nanjo left the room from the moment Genji locked the door to when their bodies were discovered.
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So we've narrowed down a lot. Mysteries to be solved:

- The status of the seal.
- The entry into the room.

If we assume Battler is the killer, we do away with any need of removing the killer from any of the sealed rooms. And even if we don't, marking someone as killer is easily done.

Now'en.

It is possible to enter the room through the door while the door is closed. Like through a smaller door in the door for your pets, or the door is actually a revolving door.
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>>3671
>if we assume Battler is the killer
Well good thing I already denied that. Anyway,
It is not possible to enter through the door while it's closed. You would have to open it.
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Only Battler and Genji touched the door in this gameboard.

If the door was opened from the inside, the seal would not be damaged or removed.

If the door was opened from the outside, the seal would not be damaged or removed.

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>>3678
Battler and Genji were not the only people who touched the door during this gameboard.
I mean, it's the parlor. More than half the people touched the door at one point or another.

If the door was opened from the inside or the outside while the seal was placed as I said it was, it would break the seal.
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>>3679
Fine, then:

After the Battler put his seals and before Genji open the door, no one touched the door.

The culprit touched another seals, but not the parlor's.

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>>3680
After Battler placed the seal to when Genji broke it, at least one other person touched the parlor door.

The culprit didn't touch any of the seals that Battler placed.
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>>3681
After Battler placed the seal to when Genji broke it, more than two others person touched the parlor door.

Battler placed didn't placed all the seals.

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>>3682
After Battler placed the seal to when Genji broke it, no more than two people touched the parlor door.

I've already said that Battler sealed the rooms.
See below.
>>3572
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>>3683
You said that Battler sealed that rooms, but could it be more seals in another rooms.

There are more sealed room who Battler didn't sealed.

And after Battler placed the seal to when Genji broke it, Kumasawa and Nanjo didn't touched the door.
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There are more sealed rooms who Battler didn't sealed.
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>>3684
Yeah, some of the rooms were still sealed from when Erika placed them in the first night, but all you need to know for this mystery is that: All the seals Erika put on the Parlor, Study and Servants' room were broken before the group split up.

From when Battler placed the seal on the parlor to when Genji broke it, Nanjo and Kumasawa did not touch the door.

Battler only placed a single seal on the door of each room.
Just in case anyone doesn't already know that.
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>>3686
Battler put his seal in keyhole of the parlor's door. This is why Genji destroyed his seal. Erika's seals are intact.

The three intact seals are the same that Battler placed, but Erika's seals aren't.

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>>3688
Erika made Battler's seals, they are the same type of seal.
The tape seal was not placed on the keyhole.

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>>3690
Hmm.. not sure if this violates the red.

The culprit pushed a pen/pencil/something similar under the tape seal lifted the part on the door frame up, there by allowing someone to enter the room and not break the seal, since it is not currently blocking the door crack. They committed the murder and then exited the room. They then used the same item as before as a weight to push the free side of the tape seal back in the spot. Since it was never actually removed and then put back on Erika and Battler didn't notice.

And since they never touched the seal, it sneaks by that red as well.

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>>3691
Gah.... that's CORRECT!

The way you moved the door frame was sligtly different, but that is the answer.
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>>3691
Awesome, Rosa/Mira-san! Good job!
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If anyone is still wondering what was the exact method:
The culprit removed the part of the door frame that the seal was attached to. Then seeing as it was attached to the door with the seal the culprit opened the door with the part of the door frame attached, killed Nanjo and Kumasawa, closed the door, locked it, then put the door frame back into place.

Rosa got a similar way but this is a way to bypass the duct tape seal.
Looks like we'll need to find a new type of seal~

>> No. 3704 edit
Culprits moving to avoid the red?
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>>3704
You really can't trust GM's can you?
Although I guess that is to be expecting since ib4f and all.
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