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Black Witch Rosa, I challenge you to this final battle in my game. The rules are simple. You will get fifty blues to solve my game. (I will respond with fifty reds.) It's how many you gave Battler in yours, after all.

In addition, anyone may post their theories, if there are any lurkers that saw the whole game through. But, if they post, they will subtract yo your blue count. I think Anon was lurking, so he may back you up if he wishes.

Also, you have the right to make requests, and I have the right to refuse.

Let the games begin.

First Thread
http://www.seacats.net/gameboard/res/104.html

Second Thread
http://www.seacats.net/gameboard/res/364.html

Third Thread
http://www.seacats.net/gameboard/res/1955.html
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>> No. 2108 edit
Fifty blues, that is. I will respond with fifty reds.
>> No. 2109 edit
>>2108
edited accordingly, if that's okay with you
>> No. 2110 edit
Appreciated, in fact.
>> No. 2111 edit
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Gulp I hope I can solve it. And there actually have been quite a few people who have been following the game.

Alright let's see.

Hmmm..

One of the people who we thought died at the first twilight faked their death. Allowing them to be able to commit all the other crimes.
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Six people died on the first twilight.
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>>2112
One of the six who died was not one of the six I assumed died. For example Kinzo or Kanon.
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The victims of the first twilight were Jessica, George, Maria, Kumasawa, Rudolf, and Kyrie.
>> No. 2117 edit
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http://www.seacats.net/gameboard/res/1955.html

>>108 - [Erika] won’t be fit to call herself the detective. She has been demoted to “the Watson.”
>>108 - [Amy] has absolutely no relation to the Ushiromiya family at all. She has never met anyone on that island. She is a perfect neutral piece.
>>109 - Too bad, there’s nothing you can do.
>>109 - The only thing that matters in this game is the identity of the culprits.
>>109 - Closed rooms and the like have no place here, unless they can somehow prove or disprove someone’s alibi.
>>109 - The tale of fantasy protecting the culprit is over. This is a story without any love.
>>111 - Of course. When multiple truths exist at once, the validity of both is questioned.
>>111 - Both you and your partner may use the red to make comments you know for sure, such as "Genji walked into the room" if you saw him walk into a room." 
>>111 - You can only do this for things you have seen or heard for yourselves.
>>149 - The person who gave Maria the letter was a woman dressed in white, and she had long white hair.
>>150 - a servant cannot be the culprit.
>>276 -  I, Furudo Erika, have duck tape! 
>>280 - There was nobody hiding in the room when she searched.
>>282 - There's no way to cut any chains on this island with your bare hands.
>>290 - I already said that you has absolutely no relation to the Ushiromiya family at all. She has never met anyone on that island. 
>>320 - <Good>. I sealed the door and window. At both of these times, Shannon was in the room.
>>322 - The seal is intact. All of the guest house windows are currently locked from the inside.
>>328 - The only way Culprit-san gets in is if he smashes a window! If culprit-san did that, we'd definitely hear!
>>341 - Don't worry, you'll wake up in the morning. Until then, you will sleep.
>>343 - Erika is not, and will never be the culprit in this game. If she was, that blow to the head would have killed you. 
>>343 - Erika, Battler, Jessica, George, Maria, Dr. Nanjo, and you are in the guest house. Everyone else is in the main house. 
>>343 - All the seals that you have placed are still in effect. In addition, Eva is creating her own seals as well. You can ask her about them in the morning. If she isn't a victim, that is. 
>>343 - At this time, all the windows's locks are locked and broken, and the only door that allows one to leave the guesthouse is locked, sealed, and the lock is jammed preventing it from being unlocked.
>>379 - "I was asleep. The rooms in the guest house are sound proof unless you knock on the doors, or, of course, the doors are open." 
>>379 - What he's saying about the rooms is true.
>>388 - Was that letter in the room when I woke up?
>>389 - It was, but you asked about bodies, not letters and stuff.
>>393 - The windows were all locked when you broke them. They were unable to be opened when you broke them. 
>>401 - There must be a detective, and they must detect. Amy cannot die due to another human's actions.
>>415 - There is nothing usuaual about the door. Everything looks and feels as it should. 
>>423 - No openings exist in the chapel besides the windows and door.
>>425 - There were no mechanical traps inside of the chapel. 
>>427 - There was no string, thread, wire, fishing line, rope, or anything like that inside of the chapel at any point!
>>431 - The candy was not on the floor before you entered.
>>434 - a culprit is responsible for the falling candy. Not a potential accomplice.
>>436 - The motive must be personal. Without a motive, somoene will not kill.
>>438 - The windows are locked, and they can only be locked from the inside.
>>443 - using my sensetive hearing, I confirmed that each survivor went to their respective rooms, and that there is no more than two people in any rooms. Furthermore, I sealed all of the room's windows.
>>447 - All of the rooms the survivors went in are on the second floor. With all of us parolling, nobody should be able to leave from their doors without us noticing.
>>450 - All of the survivors except for me, you, Battler, and possibly Kinzo were inside of their rooms when I taped the windows.
>>1831 - Everyone alive(with the exception of you, Battler, Erika, and Kinzo) are all on the second floor inside their rooms 
>>1905 - There's no mistaking that this is really Krauss and Natsuhi.
>>1936 - Last night, before going to the guest house, Rudolf told Battler he had something important to tell him. Battler went downstairs, saying he would wait for them.
>>1936 - After all, he was the only one but us sleeping in that room!
>>1936 - Battler had a master key.
>>1936 - Futhermore, when you were talking to Eva about the tape seals, Battler was out of our sight!
>>1936 - Battler was also out of our sight when we were talking to Dr. Nanjo!
>>1936 - Battler left the parlor saying he was worried about you.
>>1941 - The only entrance to the detective's are the single door and single window.
>>1941 - After we went in the parlor and until you arrived, the only two that exited were Shannon and Battler.
>>1943 - You found the envelope in Krauss and Natsuhi's room. hat envelope had Kanon's key in it. The door was locked before you went inside.
>>1943 - When Shannon-- 
>>1951 - Kanon is dead.
>>1953 - the seal you put on Shannon's door is broken.
>>1953 - Eva's seals, however, are still in place.
>>1955 - Your seals on the guest-house windows are still in place.
>>1959 - They tied Battler around the waist, with his arms at his sides. He is able to walk, but completely unable to move his arms. 
>>1969 - He is unable to move his arms.
>>1970 - You check to see if there is a seal on the door... there isn't.
>>2091 - Everyone in the room except for you and Erika are dead.
>> No. 2118 edit
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>>2117
Thanks Bern that will be helpful in theorizing.
>> No. 2119 edit
Yep, many thanks. I would have done so myself if I knew how.
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GE I would like a small clarification on something.

"In addition, all servants are discharged from this point on. They are no longer servants of the Ushiromiya family."

This means that they are no longer servants correct? That means that the red saying "A servant can't be the culprit." It no longer applies to Gohda, Genji, Kanon, Shannon, and Kumasawa correct?
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Yes, that is correct.
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>>2121
Ok just checking again. So accusing Shannon or Gohda, or Genji would not go against the red?

Also.

One of the people who died in the study committed suicide after killing the others.
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You could accuse any of those people, and it wouldn't go against the read.

Nobody in Kinzo's study committed suicide.
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>>2123
Ok, give me a little time to review the story for now. I would rather try to solve it then just gathering all the info through mass blues.
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Of course.

I will warn you that you didn't find all of the clues or ask all the right questions that were possible. That's to be expected in this sort of game, of course, which is why I'm giving you this battle.
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>>2126
Hmmm.. It seems I need a little more info to deny some of the possibilities in my head.

request.
Shannon died in the kitchen.
Kinzo died after Natsuhi and Krauss.
Someone faked their death.
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2128
Shannon died in the kitchen.

I won't answer the Kinzo one, since it doesn't deny anything.

And I won't answer the last one, because it's too vague.
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>>2128
Krauss or Natsuhi faked their death.
>> No. 2131 edit
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Krauss and Natsuhi were dead when you entered their room.
>> No. 2132 edit
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>>2131
One of the people in the group who died at the end faked their death.
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Everyone in Kinzo's study was dead when you entered, besides you and Erika.
>> No. 2134 edit
>>2133
Alright try to see if someone I've suspected at first and then discarded has something to do with it.

Nanjo faked his death.
>> No. 2135 edit
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Nanjo died in the parlor.
>> No. 2136 edit
*Nanjo
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>>2135
I going to assume that this means that Nanjo did not fake his death, and he was dead when I entered the parlor after I knocked Erika out right?
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Yep. Confirmed.
>> No. 2139 edit
>>2138
Before you talked about multiple culprits.

Can you tell me if there is only 1 culprit, or if there is more than one.
>> No. 2140 edit
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Sorry, I've thought about it, and I'll have to refuse to answer this one. I'll give you what I can, though, just so the theories don't get insane.

There are no more than three culprits.
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>>2140
I'm a part of the "we've".
Giving bits and piece of advice. Although I'm trying my best to keep my own theories to my self.
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It's been a while. I'm sure she'll ask for what ever theories you have if it gets down to the end. I'm pretty confident it won't, though.
>> No. 2143 edit
At the start of the game, GreatEqualizer wouldn't let Rosa take control of piece-Rosa because she's the culprit!
>> No. 2144 edit
>>2143


GreatEqualizer just wanted a neutral piece on the board.
>> No. 2145 edit
Hm. What's the code for green again?
>> No. 2146 edit
>>2145
[green] ne.
>> No. 2147 edit
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>>2140
Hmmmm..

Nanjo preformed the 1st and 2nd twilights, 4th and killed Kinzo.

Genji found out and killed Nanjo, when he saw Nanjo kill Battler.

Rosa killed Kanon. Genji and Rosa had a shootout in the study and killed everyone and killed each other.
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Now that it seems like you have more of a theory in mind, I'll put you back on the game. I'll still give you the fifty blues as options, though. Just see them as optional hints.
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Meta-world

Bernkastel sits in her game chair, smirking. There are read and blue chains everywhere in the room. "That's your theory, Amy? And what evidence do you have? How do the closed rooms add to the plausibility of these culprits? If you can't answer why these are better than Erika's Battler-culprit theory, I'll still make you shoot him."

"Bernkastel," Says Ange. "Those weren't the rul-"

"Game master makes the rules. So, Amy, what is your explanation?"

All the accused are in the room: Battler, Nanjo, Genji, and Rosa.
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>>2149
"What about motive? Erika what is Battler's motive?"
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"I-I told you. Something that Battler's parents told him made him angry enough to kill them in the heat of the moment."

Bernkastel just glances at her. It's clear that she wasn't saying that with the certainly that someone who is Bernkastel's piece would expect.
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>>2151
"Yes, yes his parents made him angry so he killed them in the heat of the moment."

"I see. I see."

"Why does he kill the other cousins then? Or Kumasawa, or Natsuhi and Krauss? Your motive only works for Rufolf and Kryie."
>> No. 2153 edit
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"...To cover up his crime, of course!"
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>>2153
"pfft. What a pathetic motive. If he was trying to cover it up wouldn't he make it look like he didn't do it, rather then that he did!"

"My motive. Nanjo's clinic was going under he needed lots of money fast. And he wanted to help treat Shannon who was getting sicker and sicker, he was upset with the family for forcing such a sick girl to work. So he punished the family and was going to get the gold so he could help save tons of people's lives. He thought of the finally as the sinful sacrifice to be able to save lots of lives.

Rosa thought that Kanon killed Maria or assisted in Maria's death, so she killed Kanon.

Shannon protested against Nanjo's plan, so regretfully he had no choice but to kill her.

Genji found out what Nanjo was doing when he saw Nanjo kill Battler, so Genji took revenge for everyone and kill Nanjo.

But Genji knew that Nanjo didn't kill so he wanted to track down Kanon's killer. And he killed the others because of that. And Rosa killed them because she wanted to kill Maria's killer."
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"Interesting. But the closed rooms would make that theory impossible, would they not?"
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>>2155
A request.

The number of people on the island.
And if anyone left the parlor after Shannon left.
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Battler left after Shannon.
>> No. 2170 edit
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>>2155
"Which closed room makes the theory impossible?"
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"The first one, for example! How was that possible using your supposed culprits? Only Battler could have done it, right?"
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>>2176
Nanjo removed the windows and then climbed into the room.

Not very hard.
>> No. 2181 edit
>>2178
Should be quotes around all that.
>> No. 2185 edit
"What about the second twilight? You found Kanon's genuine key when you looked in the envelope, after all."
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>>2185
The room was removed from its hinges.
>> No. 2190 edit
>>2188
*Door..
>> No. 2192 edit
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"I've had enough of your pitiful theories. Dlanor A. Knox, I summon you."

There is a bright flash. A new challenger appears in the room.

"Hello, it is a pleasure to meet YOU. However, I must inform you that Knox's Decalogue applies to this GAME. You looked through the whole ROOM, but could not find any evidence the door had been tampered with. The case cannot be resolved without CLUES that are presented."
>> No. 2193 edit
* that are not presented.
>> No. 2194 edit
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Request:

Which room was Kanon and Rosa supposed to be in? What room did Erika first put them in? The room Rosa was in, or the room where I found Kanon's hat?
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Rosa forced Kanon to leave. She was especially mean about it, and told Kanon to get as far away from her as possible.
>> No. 2196 edit
It was in the room you found Rosa in.
>> No. 2197 edit
>>2195
Request:

Shannon was the one who I met in the rose garden with Maria.
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I refuse.
>> No. 2199 edit
It's not my jon to deny Beatrice's existence.
>> No. 2200 edit
*job
>> No. 2201 edit
>>2198
Request: Kinzo was dead when we all entered the study the first time.
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"...Kinzo was alive when you entered the study for the first time."
>> No. 2203 edit
>>2202
Kinzo's study, or Krauss's study?
>> No. 2204 edit
Kinzo's.
>> No. 2205 edit
When Amy entered Kinzo's study for the second time, were the other corpses still there?
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Heh. One body was missing when she went in for the second time.
>> No. 2207 edit
>>2206
Was it Kinzo's?
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>>2206

Quite possibly.
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"Alright I'll revise my theory. Kinzo is the culprit he faked his death and then went around killing all of us. Genji and Nanjo are accomplices."
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"Genji showed us his key in the parlor," Erika says. "How could Kinzo have created Shannon's closed room?"
>> No. 2211 edit
>>2210
The door wasn't locked.
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"...Nothing I say can defend her theory, my master."

Bern ignores her."Well, is that your final answer?" Kinzo's form appears in the room. "Then shoot him."
>> No. 2213 edit
>>2212
"Alright."

I pull out the gun and shoot Kinzo.
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"Ushiromiya Kinzo never killed anyone on Rokkenjima! You just lost the game!"

Time speeds up on Rokkenjima. It seems that there was a giant explosion that killed everyone. Even though there wasn't a single shred of evidence, the police named their suspected culprit to the public... Ushiromiya Kinzo.

In the meta-world, several goats approach you. Blue words come out and sting.

"You never existed on Rokkenjima.

" 'Furudo Amy' is a split personality of Furudo Erika."

"The family members were all playing along to humor the mentally ill Erika!"

You feel your body vanishing. It seems that Bernkastel is trying to wipe you out of existence. Unless you can do something to solidify your own existence, this may be it...
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>>2214
Hold it!

Furudo Amy existed on Rokkenjima! She wasn't a split personality of Furudo Erika, and no one was playing along to humor a mentally-ill Erika!

You said it yourself. When multiple truths exist at once, the validity of both is questioned. This isn't over yet!
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"Who is this intruder? Guards, take care of him."

The goats surround Kinjo. Once he is destroyed, so will his 'truth' about Amy being a real person.

"Amy declared Kinzo as the culprit."

"She has lost. We will not permit you to--"

"Hold on!" Says Erika. "Master, I have disgraced you in this battle already. It would not honor you for us to win this way. let me crush this insect for you."

"...Very well. But I will make it more difficult for him. He must name the exact number of culprits, who they are, and how all the closed rooms were created. If he can do this, I will overturn the victory, and he and Amy will win."

"Leave it to me, my master! His puny truth will never win."
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>>2216
First off, I want something cleared up.

'The person who gave Maria the letter was a woman dressed in white, and she had long white hair.'

There are more than 20 people on Rokkenjima. Thus, a 21st person X committed the crimes, this person being the woman in white who gave Maria the letter.
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From the time Amy and Erika washed on shore, there were no more than twenty people on the island.
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>>2217
I'll take it from here.

There are a few things that have been bugging me about your red truth as of late.
Even the first one actually, you say that "Six people died on the first twilight." Then you go to list the victims. Repeat it in red!

"The victims of the first twilight were the same people who died during the first twilight.

It's a start but I have much more discrepancies where that comes from.
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Want to phrase that into a blue? Or is it not that important to you?
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>>2220
Heh, I guess you are going to keep your word that you'll go harder on us now.

The victims of the first twilight were not the same people who died during the first twilight.
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The victims of the first twilight were the same people who died during the first twilight.
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>>2223
Well I'll try a different approach.

Van Dine Does not apply to this game.
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Van Dine does not apply to this game.
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>>2225
>Van Dine's 2nd. No willful tricks or deceptions may be placed on the reader other than those played legitimately by the criminal on the detective himself.

Heh, great. Well it doesn't matter a great deal.

The chemicals found in Kinzo's bathtub were used to fake his death.
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The chemicals found in Kinzo's bathtub were going to be used to fake his death.
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The doors in the Rokkenjima mansion can be locked while still open. Therefore the first and the second twilight are meaningless.
Also a request: Please tell us if is possible to open a door without a key. Sliding a card, using a fish line, using a hammer etc
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Doors can only be locked while closed. Only keys will lock doors.

As a bonus for bravery: There are only five master keys.
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Hey GE, I want to clarify something about the keys whereabouts before the first twilight. I'm not asking for red or what not but you said that Kurass gave Gohda 4 keys and then in turn Gohda gave 2 to Genji, 1 to Kanon and another to Kumasawa. Amy already had 2. A little bit down the thread, or rather like 3-5 posts later when Erika is searching a room she mentions that something doesn't matter because Gohda Genji and Kanon still have master keys, but not Kumasawa.
Was this a typo or not?
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Amy wasn't supposed to have 2 keys at that time. She was supposed to have one that Krauss gave her, then get another from Genji.
>> No. 2232 edit
>>2231
Sorry, I was questioning about Kumasawa and Gohda when I said that. As in, you said Gohda gave all the keys away, but then Erika said he had one in a post almost right after it.

>>274

>>280
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Ohh, yes. That was a typo.

Gohda didn't give Kumasawa a key. He kept one. My mistake entirely. Thanks for pointing that out.
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The key Genji and Gohda showed before is not a master key. They just showed a key to deceive everyone. The real key was hold by the culprit X.
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The keys Genji and Gohda showed before is not a master key.

And, keeping the style of an extra red truth, the only keys that exist in this game are the five master keys. There are no duplicates, fakes, or personal keys to individual rooms.
>> No. 2236 edit
"The keys Genji and Gohda showed before were master keys."

* WERE master keys.

I forgot to edit after I copy and pasted.
>> No. 2237 edit
>>2235
What? I thought there were 2 Kinzo's study keys?
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>>2237
Is this a logic error...?
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>>2237

Wow, I am messing up on my own game. They are the exception
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>>2238

I was taking a dramatic pause.
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>>2235
GE could we get an exact time Shannon died. What I was doing at the time and I where I was, right when she died would be good.
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I'll have to refuse that one.
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>>2242
GE would it be too much trouble for you to confirm that the vase in Natsuhi and Krauss's room was the murder weapon for me?
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The vase in Natsuhi and Krauss's room was the murder weapon. Beatrice used magic to levitate it.
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>>2244
Shannon killed herself after locking the kitchen and painting the circle.
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Shannon did not commit suicide.

As an extra, the door and window were definitely locked when the group arrived.
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>>2246
What about the back door?
>> No. 2248 edit
The back door was locked from the inside.
>> No. 2249 edit
>>2248
Ummm. GE could I get an answer if Kinzo died in the game. I don't care for a specific time, I just want to know if he died at some point.
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Kinzo survived through this game.
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>>2250
Shannon was killed remotely using the drug in the syringe.
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Shannon was not killed remotely by the drug. When she was killed, her killer was in the room with her.

As an extra hint: The drug is most commonly used to induce sleep.
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>>2252
..............

..............

Two requests.

1. Shannon was alive when I entered the kitchen.

2. Could you describe what I would have found if I searched the parlor after Battler and Nanjo died.
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I refuse the first one.

If you had searched the parlor, you would have found traces of blood, leading to the murder weapon.
>> No. 2268 edit
>>2267
So I would have found the murder weapon?
>> No. 2269 edit
Probably.
>> No. 2270 edit
>>2269
Care to tell me what that was? Since I would have found it, if I would have played smart and looked.
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It was a hat stand. Incidentally, Erika would have pointed out it was missing if you hadn't knocked her out.
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>>2271
Nanjo killed Shannon when he was checking on her.
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Correct.

"B-but that's ridiculous!" Erika said. "Nanjo died in the parlor!"
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>>2273
Alright another few requests before I use so more blues.

First, I would like to know if by the time the game ended. (Which would be when we jumped to the ending right?) If all the culprits were dead. I'm not requesting you give me a number, just a yes or no answer, to "Are all the culprits dead at the end of the game?"

Second request. The 1st twilight was committed by more than one person. 1 culprit, 1 accomplice, 1 culprit and 2 accomplices, 2 culprits etc. Once again I am just requesting a general yes or no answer.

Third. I would like to know if "Culprit used the window." theory for the first twilight even holds up.

After I hear you answers I'll make my next blue.
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I'll be purposely selective to what I respond to.

At the end of the game, you, Erika, and Kinzo were alive. This takes place at the battle. If the game lasted longer, the island would have been destroyed in an explosion.

As for the second, I'll refuse.


Nobody removed any windows in the guest house during the course of this game. The bodies were not carried in through windows.
>> No. 2304 edit
>>2303
Kyrie killed at least one of the people in the first twilight.
>> No. 2305 edit
By the way, I've decided that blues you get correct won't subtract from your count.
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Kyrie killed a single person on the first twilight. You can probably guess who that person is.
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>>2306
Genji or Nanjo killed the other victims of the first twilight. Or a combination of the two.
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After Battler entered the detective's room, no bodies entered or left until you woke up.

This doesn't destroy your theory, but it forces you to explain.
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>>2310
Battler was drugged, the culprit put him to sleep while he was waiting for Kyrie and Rudolf to show up. The text even says he dozed off.

They removed the door and entered that way.
They went upstairs and put the corpses in the room.

Battler being still drugged didn't notice the corpses when he entered the pitch black room.

The noise he heard when he went back upstairs was the sound of the door being put back on.
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Your theory is correct.
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Genji killed Natsuhi and Krauss and locked the door using his master key after placing the envelope.
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The culprit killed Natsuhi and Krauss and locked the door using his master key after placing the envelope.

I planned on that one being harder, but things didn't go as I planned in the game. Like I said, the difficulty depended on you.
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>>2322
Genji killed Nanjo and Battler with the hatstand.

Genji killed Gohda and Eva.
Nanjo killed Rosa, Hideyoshi and Genji with poison.

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None of the people you mentioned died due to poison.
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>>2324
Rosa and Hideyoshi were strangled to death.
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Rosa and Hideyoshi were strangled to death

By whom? And how did that person die?
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>>2326
Genji killed them, as to how he died... a blow to the head from before when he fought with Nanjo?
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It seems that you forgot one mystery-- the fourth twilight. Yes, Kinzo was alive, but he never broke any of Eva's seals. Eva had multiple seals placed.

At the time you and Erika were fighting over whether or not battler was the culprit, all of Eva's seals were in place.

Everyone alive except for Kinzo were in the kitchen.

And yet, there was no seal on the door when you arrived. Furthermore, only human interference could remove on of Eva's seals.

>> No. 2329 edit
fifth *
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>>2328
Eva sealed the wrong room. The door to Kinzo's study was never sealed.
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>>2330
^should be blue
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Blues fly across the room, hitting random spots. With your last blue, the room seems to explode in a flash.

The truth that you exist is allowed to stay.

When you come to your senses, you find yourself floating in darkness. You look around, and you can see Ange floating near you.

"I...I don't understand. Nanjo doesn't seem like a bad person, and I always remember Genji being kind. He would even do extra things without asking for a reward or even a thank you. Why would they do something like this?"
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>>2354
"It is most likely that Nanjo's clinc needed money, or someone he cared about was sick and needed money to be taken care of. And according to Kinzo's will he wasn't going to get any. It drove him over the edge.

Kyrie is the same, she wanted the money so she was going to kill the servants.

Genji was probably ordered by Kinzo to commit the crimes.

But that is just my guess."
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"...I suppose. Money is what it all comes back to, isn't it? Still, even though that witch said she'd hand the win over to you, I wonder if she's really satisfied with this..."

---------------------

The short answer, of course, was no.

Bernkastel had banished Erika as deep into darkness as she could. She doubted that she could retrieve her if she wanted to. That thought went away quickly.

She realized her fatal flaw, of course. She had listened to others too much. If Bernkastel had just relied on herself and not bended the rules, she would most likely be the victor.

Therefore, she was creating one more idea-- a devious, cunning idea. She consulted Featherine about it earlier and had only received one message in response. " That sort of game...is only technically solvable."

It was enough. Before long, she would destroy Amy, and anyone that had helped her. She even had a name in mind: Survival of the Golden Witch.

-------------------------------------

Credits:

Ushiromiya Jessica- Died on the first twilight

Ushiromiya George- Died on the first twilight

Ushiromiya Maria- Died on the first twilight

Ushiromiya Rudolf- Died on the first twilight

Ushiromiya Kyrie- Died on the first twilight

Servant Kumasawa- Died on the first twilight

Ushiromiya Krauss- Died on the second twilight

Ushiromiya Natsuhi- Died on the second twilight

Servant Shannon- Died on the fourth twilight

Ushiromiya Battler- Died on the sixth twilight.

Nanjo- Died on the seventh twilight

Servant Genji- Died on the eighth twilight.

Ushiromiya Rosa- Died on the eighth twilight.

Ushiromiya Hideyoshi- Died on the eighth twilight.

Servant Gohda- Died on the eighth twilight.

Ushiromiya Kinzo- Alive.

Furudo Erika- Alive.

Furudo Amy- Alive (?)

The winners of this game are Ushiromiya Kinzo, Furudo Erika, and Furudo Amy. They managed to stay alive, so the witch was impressed enough to let them live. In the end, it is the winners whow rite the history books.

END.


To be continued in Antithesis of the Golden Witch.
>> No. 2357 edit
Ushiromiya Eva- Died on the eighth twilight
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>>2356
Yeah I had a blast. It was a ton of fun. Sorry about the giving up though. I think the part where you said. "You did not find all the clues and stuff." Kind of messed me up, and I partly stopped thinking and then when we were talking and created the Kinzo theory, I just accepted it. Despite that I should have seen it doesn't work.

I apologize for that. I should have played better. Nonetheless I had a blast playing and solving it at the end.

I hope you enjoyed it as well.
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congratulations rosa
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