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UNIMPORTANT

"Come on, Beato, you and I both know it's been slow..." said Rudolf, chasing Beatrice (who was wearing her casual clothes) down the hallway backstage of the theater. "We haven't put on a decent show for months. Face it, we need something new to spice things up."

"Rudolf, things are never slow enough for me to need one of your suggestions." Beatrice tried to walk faster.

"That's not fair! I mean, look at what Goat-kun managed to give you once you gave him a chance! Who's to say mine will be any worse?!"

"Lawyers, I'd wager," she said. Still, she came to a halt.

Smiling, Rudolf replied, "Eh, alright, you may have me there, but there's plenty of things changed around so that I'm pretty sure we'll be fine. Even if we're not, well...I know people who are good at dodging things like that. We'll be fine!"

"My confidence in you overflows," replied Beato, oozing sarcasm. "Fine! Fine, you're right, we've been needing something fresh for a while..."

"And I've even gotten us a debut overseas!" said Rudolf, piling on the charm. "New audiences, ripe for the plucking! I mean, starved for entertainment!"
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>>21053

"So the assault on the servants' quarters continues? Very well, I shall protect it for all time! However, you make a note that I feel, for fair play, must be addressed."

"Battler was not unconscious for 20 minutes. The times listed are the start times of the scenes, but time progresses throughout the scenes. So all the talk and action in the study continues from 10:25 to sometime before 10:45. In actuality, Battler was only senseless for a short time."

"Now then, as for the actual theory you have proposed, I must say it was one I anticipated. So, have my prepared red! Shannon was actively handed the key to the boiler room, and then the door to the servants' quarters was locked from the inside immediately after!"

She grinned wickedly. "Do you dare pursue the obvious next step? I assure you, there is no joy down it..."
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I was a bit embarrassed to come back, because, yes, my idea was pretty dumb, but I feel like I have to speak because I'm thinking Beatrice might have a point here; we are very focused on Kanon's death specifically. It might be good to move to other events for now and come back to Kanon later. I feel like we've been purposefully pointed towards a very difficult situation to suss out in order to distract us from weaker areas.

We might want to work on other deaths, and other clues as well. For example, the bloody gold bar was hidden very poorly, at least in my view; it was right next to the room where someone got their head busted in, and considering Krauss is the only one with the key, that looks pretty suspicious on his part. But, is that the point of why it was the way it was? To make it seem like Krauss did it? I'm not sure, and I don't really have a blue truth for it. I know Krauss didn't lock the gold bar door, but I don't know if it was intentional or not, or anything.

Also also... I forgot google docs exist. And didn't know about google sheets. So, link to excel down below, somewhat more readable than the picture!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZAU9379MUJ8aV60gsA3-9442qdJj-6GldLgXwj8IfNg/edit?usp=sharing
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Alright, witch. Here is the theory I have made from this mystery of yours and the reds obtained by all my comrades before me. May you enjoy it.

When they got dismissed of the parlor by Kinzo, everyone have dispersed, leaving enough room for the culprit to do their business. The first thing they did once alone is to go in Kinzo’s study. The door would be locked but it’s no problem for the culprit as they have Kinzo’s key. To be precise on this point, every members of the Ushiromiya family has been stolen an object during the dinner by Maria (except Maria, of course) and the say objects have been replaced by an object of similar template. Kinzo wasn’t an exception, and he received a gold-colored pen with a small red scorpion designs on it. Given that when Maria’s corpse has been found, there wasn’t any supplementary object that the ones stolen to the Ushiromiya present at the moment, it’s likely to imagine that Maria has been relieved of it earlier in the evening, by the culprit for instance who noticed her while she was exercising her “talent” during the dinner. In any case, the culprit obtained from Maria a goldy pen-like object belonging to Kinzo and it wouldn’t be far fetched to imagine that the object in question was the study’s key.
Now, back in Kinzo’s study,the culprit realized Kinzo’s plan for the night as the instructions for it were in evidence on his office (after all there was no need to hide them since the only person who could enter the room were Genji and Kinzo himself). This knowledge is the culprit’s strongest weapon as they will be able to create their plan over the plot prepared by Kinzo.
To claim the inheritance, the culprit had to kill Kinzo, recuperate the ring and above all else, not being indicted. Thanks to Kinzo’s plan, they figured that the elder of the family would be playing the dead in the parlor and after that he would go to his study using the secret passage between the parlor and the study, so the culprit would need two things: A decoy and an access to Kinzo’s study without the study&#
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>>21129

Beatrice hung her head silently for a moment after this onslaught of blue was spoken. Then, she slowly began to clap. Lifting her head, she smiled.

"Bravo, detective. That was truly wonderful. A marvelous piece of reasoning supported by excellent focus on details."

She paused, then grinned wickedly. "It is, of course, wrong! Kiyaahahahahaha! Here's some red for you!"

"Kinzo possessed his key to the study for the entire time he was alive.

The door to Kinzo's study always worked perfectly.

Kanon did not die from poison.

Maria never possessed Kinzo's ring.
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Welcome to a new game of mine.

This one will be played between me and a single opponent (I don't recall what they went by on this site earlier, or if they wish to go under a different name, should they choose to). The rules for the game are listed below.

So, without further ado:

IT IS IN OUR HOME
An Umineko Mystery
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I can accept that explanation for the time being.

PASS
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Well no freaking idea how to approach the second locked room so let's just put that one off for later.

Bet 1 chip
The 'HA HA HA' had been written on the door before everyone grouped up, but wasn't yet visible when Shannon and George checked.
The culprit used some sort of trick paint to delay its visibility.

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>>21126
The 'HA HA HA' had not existed on Kinzo's door when the door was looked at by Shannon and George as they searched the third floor! Of course, neither of the two could've written the text at the time without the other noticing!
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Well damn, that one makes things a whole lot more complicated.
I'll uh, save that one for later as well.

Bet 1 chip
The skull key in the pot was not the same object as the key Battler found earlier.


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20963 No. 20963 Locked edit hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [Last 50 posts]
A short side-game open for everyone. A standard red v blue, no special rules. But by this point my dislike of shotgunning should be pretty clear, so... do try to avoid that, if at all possible.

I don't really have much of a foreword so we might as well get into it right away:

LEAP OF THE GOLDEN WITCH

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As usual, a few guarantees to start out with:

The narrator has an objective point of view. The narrator can, of course, be deceived.
There can only be one culprit.
There are no accomplices allowed.
An accomplice is someone who willingly and knowingly assists the culprit in the execution of their plans.
This story features no supernatural elements.

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>>21111
almost tempted to just say "no" in red and leave it at that tbh

Everyone was able to identify the rooms they were in. The Ushiromiyas pride themselves on situational awareness when out of meta scenes, don't y'know?
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Battler pushed Kinzo out his window either right after dinner or later when Jessica was busy looking through her room. (wouldn't take that long if the study is nearby.) Kinzo either had some condition that made it hard to speak so he could not call for help or simply chose not to do so.
Anyway, Kinzo managed to hold on the the windowsill outside and ultimately fell when others heard his scream.
The reason Battler kept checking his watch was to make sure he'd have it right for his alibi. When going back, the idea occurred to him to knock on the door to the study and use ventriloquism to make it seem like Kinzo was still alive. Outside he quickly opened his umbrella to make sure Jessica wouldn't see Kinzo above them.

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There's no way Kinzo's voice would've reached Battler and Jessica, had he been speaking to them from outside of the window of his study.

Let's get around that:

Before arriving at the guesthouse, (Battler/Jessica/George/Maria/Nanjo/Kanon/Shannon) went upstairs in the mansion and pushed Kinzo out of the window of a second floor room (not the study). Kinzo did not fall to the ground though - he caught onto some features immediately outside the window. The window of that other room remained open, so Kinzo's voice could come through, to be heard by B&J.

A bit before 8:40, he finally fell screaming, crawled to the entrance and died.

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>>21114
in the words of the famous poet

Ozaki

...Close enough. The two theories answer the questions I would've raised for them individually and it would've been pretty obvious.

Battler pushed Kinzo out of a random window in the mansion. Kinzo broke a fuckton of bones and as stated in the red wouldn't have been able to speak. But he was alive. Battler, at the time, believed him to be dead.

When Jessica suggested to go to get games, he agreed, to check if anyone had found Kinzo's body. It was only as they were about to leave that the thought occured to him that he could maybe create the illusion that Kinzo was still alive. If he did that, and stayed with the cousins, with Jessica there to witness Kinzo's voice, he would've had a perfect alibi for when Kinzo's body was eventually found.

So, as he knocked the door, Battler used his ventriloquism skills to imitate Kinzo's voice. The first time, Jessica didn't his lips move properly because she was scared of Kinzo and because they'd both, as Battler put it, "jumped", making it harder to see those tiny lip movements. The second time, Battler had already turned his head to the door, making it even harder to see his face. (Whether he'd turned his back to Jessica or just was showing a side of his face is, I think, irrelevant, since Jessica's attention would've been focused more on the door anyway.)

Shortly after they left the mansion, Kinzo had crawled to the front of the door. Weak and exhausted, and feeling he was going to die,
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I’m opening a new game for anyone who wishes to try and solve it. The more the merrier.

This game is slightly different than most of my gameboards but will be fairly simple. This thread will act as the tearoom and I will dictate what is happening on the gameboard level. After I make a post with [Discussion Open] in it you will be allowed to post your thoughts and ask me questions.

During this time you may even make blue theories however just like in the novel I won’t be obligated to answer in until the end of the game where you will be tasked to explain all the mysteries. I ask you don’t write up a huge analysis in one post for the discussion segments so we can address individual points more easily.

I will post [End of Discussion] once we have decided to move on and I will continue posting the rest of the story until the next one or the end of the game. As you can expect the goal is simple but traditional; you have to explain the events on the gameboard using humans means before the end of the final debate.

There will likely be a real life time-limit to the final debate in order to prevent the game from dragging on too long. The pain of not knowing the answer will continue if you fail to solve it.

The difficulty is… well I usually only make one of those for serious games. This game is very loose to say the least.

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The first part will be posted in the upcoming days.
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Human side admitted witch culprit.
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>>21049
I meant more Castiglioni.

I'm not sure which one of us is more desperate at this point but one thing's for sure

we both want this game to end
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>>21050
Can do.

THE END


Okay but really I'm burnt out. What am looking for is the name of the who, why you suspect them (ie something suggests they could be the culprit), and how they could have done the murders. Most of the murders are solved so that isn't as big as a deal. Anyone can pm me on discord their one shot theory, if someone gets it to a reasonable degree human side wins.
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Alright so Deadon managed to solve enough of it for me to grant the human side a win.

I’ll explain the solution.

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20721 No. 20721 Locked edit hide watch expand quickreply [Reply] [First 100 posts] [Last 50 posts]
Just like Rudolf's. Blue vs Red, come one, come all.

In room A, person A is dead. In room B, person B is dead. Each room has windows which are shut and cannot be manipulated from the outside, and each room has doors which are shut and locked. The two closed room deaths are related to each other in some fashion.
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I don't actually know that. Some kind of vehicle, must be?

* Room A is a vehicle.
* Room A is underwater.
* Room A is in air.
* Room A is in space.
(same with A and B switched)

* Person A interacted with the vent of Room A with the intent of moving Room A.

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>>20934

Rooms A and B are and were not airborne, in space, or in or on the water. They cannot be moved by interacting with vents.

So therefore...?

You have the pieces. Tell me what happened.
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* Persons A and B were in cars. They drove their cars into each other's, with murderous intent! Both died as result of the collision, through different injuries inflicted upon them by their own cars and its contents.

* The vents have nothing to do with anything, besides that cars tend to have them.
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>>20936

Correct. Persons A and B, enemies who wanted each other dead, drove their cars at each other in a game of chicken, each assuming the other would swerve. Person B was wearing a seatbelt, Person A was not.
Person B died from a broken neck caused from the seatbelt being improperly positioned, and Person A was impaled on the steering column.
The cars ended up mashed together, but the interiors remained separate, and although greatly damaged, the windows did not fall apart. Thereby, two closed rooms.


My congratulations.


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